Beware of Kundalini - False Spirits Invading the Church!

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Matthew 24:4: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matthew 24:5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

We are already aware of the many false teachers, preachers, prophets etc. in the modern churches. But are you aware that false spirits also invade the church? They do and it happens all the time. The Bible even speaks on it! 

I Timothy 4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I John 4:1: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Revelation of John 16:13: And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation of John 16:14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

A lot of believers do not like the thought but demons can perform miracles too! Just because you see a few signs happening in your congregation doesn't mean that you are suddenly closer to God! You need to test the spirits to make sure they are Of God first. 

There is one spirit that is dominating the modern charismatic churches and that spirit is called "The Kundalini Spirit". This spirit attempts to mock everything that the Holy Spirit gives us which is why some believers give it the nickname, "The False Holy Spirit". Many have been deceived by this spirit because much of what it does is similar to what the Holy Spirit does. The preacher will give a number of Bible verses about the Holy Spirit and its gifts and because it is so relatable to what they experience, they fall under the deception that the spirit that they have is the Holy Spirit. What they often forget is the number of practices they perform that aren't recorded in the Bible. This includes "Holy Spirit Laughter", "Slain in the Spirit", as well as many other odd actions that accompany the use of this spirit. 

The main reason as to why it is referred to the as the "Kundalini Spirit" is because it originated and can be seen in many eastern and other cultic religions and their practices. Of course, the most popular practice being Kundalini Yoga. 

Here are a few videos on the Kundalini Spirit: 



 

 

[warrior]

The enemy has always had its fake copies of what God does. The magicians of Pharaoh were able to imitate the miracles of Moses until it came to the Gnats. God has the full repertoire. He is the same today as ever. He couldn't not be. We must test things by God's Word and not limit what is from Him.

[warrior]

Just watched the second one. Great use of menacing music, probably the best since Jaws. Looks like they 'are drunk on new wine.' Gosh I hope they are 'not drunk with wine but instead filled with the Holy Spirit'. Fair enough, they'd never allow the Holy Spirit to get up to such things in the church I grew up in.
Seems to be made in the spirit of fear to me, if you listen to the end. The enemy has fake copies of what we have in Christ. So, they might look similar. We need to examine the fruit.
Buddhists meditate but it is fake meditation to empty their minds to evil.
Muslims fast but it is fake fasting to prove their worth.
Hindus pray but to placate their false deities.
Hare Krishnas sing and chant but to prove their worth.
We could argue that we need to beware of praying, fasting, meditating and praising because false religions do these things and so it is better to avoid them altogether.
No, it is not logical. God tells us to do these things. We need to follow where the Holy Spirit and scripture take us, always examining the fruit.
I think you won't have too many problems spotting the antichrist and false prophets at the end. They'll have the fake goods and their fruit will be bad. Smashing crosses, denying the divinity of Christ, chopping the heads off the saints and setting up false religions will be some of their fruits.

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May 4, 2014 17:01:28 GMT -5 warrior said:

Just watched the second one. Great use of menacing music, probably the best since Jaws. Looks like they 'are drunk on new wine.' Gosh I hope they are 'not drunk with wine but instead filled with the Holy Spirit'. Fair enough, they'd never allow the Holy Spirit to get up to such things in the church I grew up in.
Seems to be made in the spirit of fear to me, if you listen to the end. The enemy has fake copies of what we have in Christ. So, they might look similar. We need to examine the fruit.
Buddhists meditate but it is fake meditation to empty their minds to evil.
Muslims fast but it is fake fasting to prove their worth.
Hindus pray but to placate their false deities.
Hare Krishnas sing and chant but to prove their worth.
We could argue that we need to beware of praying, fasting, meditating and praising because false religions do these things and so it is better to avoid them altogether.
No, it is not logical. God tells us to do these things. We need to follow where the Holy Spirit and scripture take us, always examining the fruit.
I think you won't have too many problems spotting the antichrist and false prophets at the end. They'll have the fake goods and their fruit will be bad. Smashing crosses, denying the divinity of Christ, chopping the heads off the saints and setting up false religions will be some of their fruits.

I'm not agreeing with the choice of music, rather the information. Also please don't misunderstand me. By posting these videos I am not saying that tongues and similar things are satanic but rather that Satan has his "alternatives" to those things. In fact, the first video was made by Brother Mike W. Smith (HouseofHealingAZ on Youtube) and his whole ministry is centred around healings, speaking in tongues and casting out demons. By "false spirits" I literally mean false spirits. I don't mean "false teachings". I'm not calling these things wrong. I'm saying that they are done by the wrong kind of spirits. I'm saying that in some instances it is not the Holy Spirit who does these things but instead Satan and his demons. 

And yes, I agree..you can spot it very easily. Those videos are meant to show you how those spirits can be spotted. If you see people barking like dogs, is that mentioned in the Bible as something that we should do? No. Where is "Slain in the Spirit" in the Bible? (There is one verse they love to use to justify it but it actually explains people falling forward in as a way of worshipping, not backwards for no apparent reason at all). * Just as a side note, I find it funny the name that they give that experience. "Slain in the Spirit". Primary definition of slain - past tense of slay which means "to kill in a violent way". So literally "Killing the Spirit [in a violent way]" * 

Using my knowledge to judge people on whether they have Kundalini or not, there is a habit of it being young guys and at their congregations they have thousands of people and literally the entire time they are just falling on the ground. There is no type of mass going on where they hear some Bible verses and get some teachings but literally just falling on the ground the whole time, as if that is beneficial to their spirit. In other cases you'll see these guys "talking to demons" (not that sometimes it doesn't happen but I'm talking on a daily basis 5-6 times during a service) and doing all kinds of crazy stuff like that such as the false prophet "T.B Joshua". 

[warrior]

Does satan want to get into the church? Yes, he's had his representatives infiltrating for centuries. We have all heard of the witches, the Jezebel spirit working her influence up and the false prophet who condemns rather than builds up. The Anglicans even had a bishop who denied the divinity of Christ (a rather easy spot). I am a member of a ministry team and the Holy Spirit has used me to cast out demons as well as to heal, praise God. Jesus told us to do these things. I have to be honest, these things are normal and the enemy doesn't stand up to being tested. I remember a couple of times praying for demonised people and it was like a bag of frogs was jumping about in them. They don't like the light. My point is that we should test the fruit. You are only going to get so far inspecting the roots and just because one root looks similar to another we should not judge it without looking at the fruit, which is what we are told to do. Can a house be divided against itself?
I do think that those people who are uncomfortable with aspects of our supernatural God should worship in a way that they are comfortable with. You will recall that the Pharisees were uncomfortable with Jesus doing these things. They looked at the roots and ignored the fruit. There is a war going on out there and it is a supernatural war. The good news is that Jesus has given us all authority and a clear guide as to what to do.
Interestingly, I recall someone who was uncomfortable with the supernatural aspects of Christianity. I challenged them to read the Gospels and not find supernatural events in every chapter. That person volunteered onto a supernatural course in the church and has seen many healings.
I think if we read Revelation we get a very clear view of what the problems of the church will be at the end of this age and the damage that satan's minions will have done. A couple of attacks that never seems to galvanize the troops are the busy, busy churches with all their works and the lukewarm churches where minds are not transformed. To men, these can look quite good but I'm sure satan is satisfied with them as well. Nevertheless, they are deceived. Where are the videos that vehemently attack the laid back? I am not saying we should have them. I don't think we win people into the Kingdom by condemning them. I'd rather love them and let the Holy Spirit transform them in His way.

[Saltandlight007]

I have personal experience of being member of a charismatic church which ended in a worse condition after becoming part of a popular so-called world wide wave of the 'Holy Spirit'. The church split, I left and really struggled for a while, though I am not placing the blame completely on this event for this. Previously, the church had practised all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, we loved one another like family, some of my non-Christian friends became Christians and I witnessed miracles.

Azusa Street was one of the greatest outpourings of the Holy Spirit in recent history, with miracles taking place which we do not see today, such as missing limbs growing back, etc. But, the focus was always on God and dying to self, becoming more Christ-like /holiness, discipline; fasting, praying, humility, developing a close relationship with God (and complete dependence on Him) and loving each other. There was a strict adherence to reading and following Scripture. Fleshly manifestations were immediately recognised as such and gently stopped. It's also interesting that the Kingdom of Heaven descended on an old wooden shack of poor community of predominantly humble black people (who were essentially outcasts / oppressed at the time), not rich powerful 'respectable' folk.

OK, the music is a bit dramatic and much of it is probably flesh-related. But, I do believe that discernment is required. I don't share MacArthur's views or agree with what he has been attempting to do, but should we conveniently ignore the fact that some of what he has pointed out is actually uncomfortably true?

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS (Matt 7:21-23)."

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May 5, 2014 4:56:14 GMT -5 Saltandlight007 said:

I have personal experience of being member of a charismatic church which ended in a worse condition after becoming part of a popular so-called world wide wave of the 'Holy Spirit'. The church split, I left and really struggled for a while, though I am not placing the blame completely on this event for this. Previously, the church had practised all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, we loved one another like family, some of my non-Christian friends became Christians and I witnessed miracles.

Azusa Street was one of the greatest outpourings of the Holy Spirit in recent history, with miracles taking place which we do not see today, such as missing limbs growing back, etc. But, the focus was always on God and dying to self, becoming more Christ-like /holiness, discipline; fasting, praying, humility, developing a close relationship with God (and complete dependence on Him) and loving each other. There was a strict adherence to reading and following Scripture. Fleshly manifestations were immediately recognised as such and gently stopped. It's also interesting that the Kingdom of Heaven descended on an old wooden shack of poor community of predominantly humble black people (who were essentially outcasts / oppressed at the time), not rich powerful 'respectable' folk.

OK, the music is a bit dramatic and much of it is probably flesh-related. But, I do believe that discernment is required. I don't share MacArthur's views or agree with what he has been attempting to do, but should we conveniently ignore the fact that some of what he has pointed out is actually uncomfortably true?

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS (Matt 7:21-23)."

That's exactly what I'm saying. It is something that people do not like the thought of. People don't like the idea of going to church expecting to receive God but instead receive Satan. In reality, that's actually what lures people into these Kundalini churches. All they need to say is "God says so" and they immediately accept what is going on without testing the roots OR the fruit. Neither of the two are good in churches like these. I'm going to mention a little more of that in another reply. 

[Saltandlight007]

May 5, 2014 14:52:01 GMT -5 @jakecmartin said:

That's exactly what I'm saying. It is something that people do not like the thought of. People don't like the idea of going to church expecting to receive God but instead receive Satan. In reality, that's actually what lures people into these Kundalini churches. All they need to say is "God says so" and they immediately accept what is going on without testing the roots OR the fruit. Neither of the two are good in churches like these. I'm going to mention a little more of that in another reply.

Yeah – I'm not willing to commit to saying that it is Kundalini or Satan / demons, because a lot of the time I think it can be just the flesh – if it's not the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, discernment is required and a knowledge about how to deal with the situation in a Christian way if it is not the Holy Spirit. That's my opinion anyway. I may be wrong. But, I think it is good to be aware without closing ourselves off to the Holy Spirit because of fear. 

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May 5, 2014 2:54:04 GMT -5 warrior said:

Does satan want to get into the church? Yes, he's had his representatives infiltrating for centuries. We have all heard of the witches, the Jezebel spirit working her influence up and the false prophet who condemns rather than builds up. The Anglicans even had a bishop who denied the divinity of Christ (a rather easy spot). I am a member of a ministry team and the Holy Spirit has used me to cast out demons as well as to heal, praise God. Jesus told us to do these things. I have to be honest, these things are normal and the enemy doesn't stand up to being tested. I remember a couple of times praying for demonised people and it was like a bag of frogs was jumping about in them. They don't like the light. My point is that we should test the fruit. You are only going to get so far inspecting the roots and just because one root looks similar to another we should not judge it without looking at the fruit, which is what we are told to do. Can a house be divided against itself?
I do think that those people who are uncomfortable with aspects of our supernatural God should worship in a way that they are comfortable with. You will recall that the Pharisees were uncomfortable with Jesus doing these things. They looked at the roots and ignored the fruit. There is a war going on out there and it is a supernatural war. The good news is that Jesus has given us all authority and a clear guide as to what to do.
Interestingly, I recall someone who was uncomfortable with the supernatural aspects of Christianity. I challenged them to read the Gospels and not find supernatural events in every chapter. That person volunteered onto a supernatural course in the church and has seen many healings.
I think if we read Revelation we get a very clear view of what the problems of the church will be at the end of this age and the damage that satan's minions will have done. A couple of attacks that never seems to galvanize the troops are the busy, busy churches with all their works and the lukewarm churches where minds are not transformed. To men, these can look quite good but I'm sure satan is satisfied with them as well. Nevertheless, they are deceived. Where are the videos that vehemently attack the laid back? I am not saying we should have them. I don't think we win people into the Kingdom by condemning them. I'd rather love them and let the Holy Spirit transform them in His way.

I understand where you're coming from. The thing is, yes love is required to do things and we should certainly love BUT sometimes saying these "unpleasant truths" are part of being a loving person. I made this post in case anyone may have had experience (or in the future) dealing with this and can understand a little bit more about it. It is a simple warning to all people on here but it is meant as a friendly warning done out of love. I'm not telling anyone (nor is there any reason) to hide under their bed to avoid this. Really, we are children of God given the authority to handle these types of situations. I'm actually going to post an amazing course someone put together on this. The idea is, today's church has become afraid of things like this when back in the day the Apostles used to deal with it all the time. It is part of who we are. 

As for the fruits and roots thing, you'll see that neither seem to be good in churches like these. You'll find that these people go to church on Sunday for the experience and not for worship or to learn about God. It is always about the individual going and never about God. There is a time and place for everything. Sometimes Jesus healed, sometimes he taught. Sometimes the Apostles healed, sometimes they taught. To follow the example, we too should have times of healing and times of teaching/learning. Even if these practices (that of Kundalini) are Biblical, the time shouldn't ONLY be dedicated to doing those things. If you look, that is all that is going on in these churches. The ones who do the other things alongside seem to have the genuine Holy Spirit and not Kundalini. Hopefully that made sense. 

I agree that a Kingdom cannot stand divided but I believe that it is telling us to be in one accord. We're still to call evil out when we see it (in a loving way of course). We aren't just accepting anyone because they claim to follow God. That's not what it means. Jesus called out numerous people who claimed to follow God. To me, I'm just calling out another group of people who are doing bad things but doing it in a loving and caring way. I'm not condemning anyone. I'm giving them knowledge to get away from this spirit. 

[warrior]

Thank you for your reply. You are right. People do need to be warned about attacks and thanks for doing that. There are many things to be warned about, all of which require discernment. The context of a house not being divided against itself was where Jesus was explaining to his accusers that, as the fruit of His miracles was good it could not come from the evil one. Satan doesn't go about doing good. He wants to kill, steal and destroy.
I am not disagreeing with your warning. I, also, do not want people to get worried either because of a fear inducing video. I want them to use discernment and walk in the power of the Holy Spirit.

[hearingGod]

i no time to watch vids but i kno the kind u mean... good info in it but 'flesh' gets in the production as people take it upon themselves to somehow sway people in the warning when they should only present the fruit and let people decide for themselves. this is just the sort of stuff that satan gets in there and makes the church 'look bad', irrational, etc.
what we need is vid producers to take all that stuff and recreate stuff the right way.... pray they arise

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May 5, 2014 15:15:44 GMT -5 Saltandlight007 said:

May 5, 2014 14:52:01 GMT -5 @jakecmartin said:

That's exactly what I'm saying. It is something that people do not like the thought of. People don't like the idea of going to church expecting to receive God but instead receive Satan. In reality, that's actually what lures people into these Kundalini churches. All they need to say is "God says so" and they immediately accept what is going on without testing the roots OR the fruit. Neither of the two are good in churches like these. I'm going to mention a little more of that in another reply.

Yeah – I'm not willing to commit to saying that it is Kundalini or Satan / demons, because a lot of the time I think it can be just the flesh – if it's not the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, discernment is required and a knowledge about how to deal with the situation in a Christian way if it is not the Holy Spirit. That's my opinion anyway. I may be wrong. But, I think it is good to be aware without closing ourselves off to the Holy Spirit because of fear. 

I completely agree, in some instances it is. I remember hearing about someone going to a church and they had "lessons" (as in formal teaching) on how to speak in tongues. Lol, as if it was a learned language. Really sad and clearly something of the flesh. I suppose it is the new way of taking the spirituality out of the Bible while having it "make sense" still. 

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May 6, 2014 8:47:44 GMT -5 warrior said:

Thank you for your reply. You are right. People do need to be warned about attacks and thanks for doing that. There are many things to be warned about, all of which require discernment. The context of a house not being divided against itself was where Jesus was explaining to his accusers that, as the fruit of His miracles was good it could not come from the evil one. Satan doesn't go about doing good. He wants to kill, steal and destroy.
I am not disagreeing with your warning. I, also, do not want people to get worried either because of a fear inducing video. I want them to use discernment and walk in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Oh okay. I just wanted to make that clear. Also, it depends how you define good. Lol that is more a philosophy thing (and something we actually discussed in my philosophy class a few weeks ago) but in reality, if you're doing a "good deed" for the wrong reasons, it isn't good at all. Really it has to do with heart's intent. So I find no problem at all with Satan doing false healings and such because his intension is to use it to destroy someone's faith in God and lead them astray. 

[warrior]

So the fruit is not good then. I think this topic is exhausted.

[gulfman]

I was watching some videos of Heidi Baker, and the ones I watched were very good. The way she speaks about Jesus and all.
But those head movements and words that she pronounces, almost like she was not having control of herself, they almost look like some videos here posted.
I enjoyed the messages she preached, and I do believe that her projects are AWESOME. But I found those manifestations to be strange.

The thing is: The messages I heard were great, and "her" fruits seems great! Only those small manifestations...
What do you think? I haven´t heard or watched anything against God´s word, or any offensive/humiliate behavior from her. Where do we draw the line?