BEST BIBLE COURSE EVER!!! - The Elijah Challenge

[gulfman]

I think that is really the move of God that heals them, but in I Timothy 5:22 it says "Lay hands suddenly on no man..." (since he is addressing to the church is it in the context that they should not rush to ordain ministers?)and they just lay hands on everybody.
Also on the book of Matthew says that Jesus did not perform miracles because of the incredulity of the people, and we see some folks that are just waiting to see what might happen without believing or at least expecting to be healed.

What do you think about that?
I´m really excited about that approach. Especially because I already prayed for lots of people in church and some were healed but others didn´t.

[gulfman]

Despite the fact still nobody said anything about the questions I put up, I decided to step out and apply what I have been watching.

Yesterday we had an outdoor pic-nic/service with our church, and while I was there a church member arrived and came seat near me and my wife. He was with lots of pain on his back. The struggle in my mind started... "He didn´t ask for you to pray for him." "Probably he has no faith on healing.", "You are in this church for 2 months, everybody gonna think you´re a kind of fanatic.", "What if nothing happens? They will think you´re trying to get in the spotlight.", etc....... At a certain point we went to have a cup coffee and while we were walking he was saying that he could hardly breathe. That was it... I had to move!! I just asked him if he already prayed about it, he said "no", and I asked him if I could pray from him. He said "yes". So I laid hands on him and said a very simple and short prayer, and he was totally healed!!! Than during the service he gave his testimony and even played some soccer with the kids. Latter a young woman came also with back pains and my wife prayed for her and she also was instantly healed!!!! PRAISED BE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!

I want to thank you for sharing those links in these forum. I can tell you that for me has been life changing! GOD BLESS YOU!

[CAT]

That is AWESOME!!! I love it!

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May 12, 2014 5:50:13 GMT -5 gulfman said:

Despite the fact still nobody said anything about the questions I put up, I decided to step out and apply what I have been watching.

Yesterday we had an outdoor pic-nic/service with our church, and while I was there a church member arrived and came seat near me and my wife. He was with lots of pain on his back. The struggle in my mind started... "He didn´t ask for you to pray for him." "Probably he has no faith on healing.", "You are in this church for 2 months, everybody gonna think you´re a kind of fanatic.", "What if nothing happens? They will think you´re trying to get in the spotlight.", etc....... At a certain point we went to have a cup coffee and while we were walking he was saying that he could hardly breathe. That was it... I had to move!! I just asked him if he already prayed about it, he said "no", and I asked him if I could pray from him. He said "yes". So I laid hands on him and said a very simple and short prayer, and he was totally healed!!! Than during the service he gave his testimony and even played some soccer with the kids. Latter a young woman came also with back pains and my wife prayed for her and she also was instantly healed!!!! PRAISED BE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!

I want to thank you for sharing those links in these forum. I can tell you that for me has been life changing! GOD BLESS YOU!

Sorry I didn't respond. Well not that you need an answer anymore but to answer anyways, "suddenly" is the keyword in that passage. You don't go around randomly placing hands on people and praying or commanding (remember, one or the other NOT both). You make sure to ask them first. Otherwise it could be disastrous (they might not receive it as something from God or might be afraid)

Also..I noticed you said prayer. There is nothing wrong with the praying side of things but the whole point of the Elijah Challenge is to move away from the praying and into commanding. God has given us the authority. We don't need to ask. You simply say "leave" or "be healed" or replace it with some other command. You'll see that come into play if you watch the entire thing with more scriptural proof to support it. Btw, the relevance of commanding is that the demon/illness is required to obey. With praying, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't because you leave it up to God. 

Anyways, wonderful testimony and God bless! 

[gulfman]

Many thanks for your reply jakecmartin. Actually I didn´t pray in the traditional way. I said something like "Dear father I thank you for the healing of this man. In the name of Jesus Christ I command every pain to leave this body. I rebuke every pain in the back of this man. Be healed in the name of Jesus Christ." It was about 5 to 10 seconds.

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May 12, 2014 17:00:50 GMT -5 gulfman said:

Many thanks for your reply jakecmartin. Actually I didn´t pray in the traditional way. I said something like "Dear father I thank you for the healing of this man. In the name of Jesus Christ I command every pain to leave this body. I rebuke every pain in the back of this man. Be healed in the name of Jesus Christ." It was about 5 to 10 seconds.

Oh okay. Well good thing it worked. I haven't had the chance to actually use this method (or anything related to healing) on anyone yet. Maybe I'll be able to soon.

[gulfman]

I really would appreciate some comments about what happened me today:

This afternoon I was called because one of my kids was feeling strong pains on the belly and "intestinal disturbances". We got home, talked about it, and decided to pray. Lay hands on him rebuked the pain and the "intestinal disturbances" and declared the healing in The Name of Jesus Christ. The symptoms instantly left! We thanked God for it.
About two hours after, the symptoms just came back stronger, and this time with nauseas. I did the same again and at the third time I "prayed" the symptoms were totally gone. We thanked again.
At this time my wife got home feeling a great headache. I did it again and the pain went immediately away. We thanked. Than about 30 minutes the symptoms came back. I repeated the procedure and it went straight away. About 2 hours later it tried to came back. I did the same, and this time it took about 4 or 5 "prayers".
The thing is, each time I layed my hands on the people rebuked the pain and declared the healing I was well succeeded (the pain left all the times!), but it went back in a short period.

I know we are in constant war, but what are your thoughts about all the events? - We are mature born again Christians baptized with the HS and we are used to fight based on faith and The Word.
Any similar experiences?

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May 14, 2014 18:04:28 GMT -5 gulfman said:

I really would appreciate some comments about what happened me today:

This afternoon I was called because one of my kids was feeling strong pains on the belly and "intestinal disturbances". We got home, talked about it, and decided to pray. Lay hands on him rebuked the pain and the "intestinal disturbances" and declared the healing in The Name of Jesus Christ. The symptoms instantly left! We thanked God for it.
About two hours after, the symptoms just came back stronger, and this time with nauseas. I did the same again and at the third time I "prayed" the symptoms were totally gone. We thanked again.
At this time my wife got home feeling a great headache. I did it again and the pain went immediately away. We thanked. Than about 30 minutes the symptoms came back. I repeated the procedure and it went straight away. About 2 hours later it tried to came back. I did the same, and this time it took about 4 or 5 "prayers".
The thing is, each time I layed my hands on the people rebuked the pain and declared the healing I was well succeeded (the pain left all the times!), but it went back in a short period.

I know we are in constant war, but what are your thoughts about all the events? - We are mature born again Christians baptized with the HS and we are used to fight based on faith and The Word.
Any similar experiences?

Has your child ever gone through deliverance before? To me it seems like maybe it is caused by a demon(s) and that the demon has "legal rights" to be there. I don't mean to offend (many get offended when you bring up the idea of having a demon), just trying to help. 

[CAT]

Yep, sounds to me like you are being attacked. Satan doesn't like what you've been up to. Just the thoughts of someone without much experience in this area.

[gulfman]

Thanks for your comments.
Today she was totally fine. Praised be The Lord.
I have prayed for my kids deliverance, but not personally with my younger one (only with the older). We normally have family praying time, but I think we are gonna personally pray for deliverance of the younger one also.

God bless you all.

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May 15, 2014 17:52:49 GMT -5 gulfman said:

Thanks for your comments.
Today she was totally fine. Praised be The Lord.
I have prayed for my kids deliverance, but not personally with my younger one (only with the older). We normally have family praying time, but I think we are gonna personally pray for deliverance of the younger one also.

God bless you all.

Well, I'm not really sure about praying for other people's deliverance (if there's an exception when you have children, it's nothing I've ever heard of). Have you taught your children how to do it for themselves? Maybe a step-by-step thing (which I see as different from "praying for them") is good the first time around but personally I think it's better for them to understand it and be able to do it on their own. I mean, most of the issues within modern Christianity is that the children aren't being taught the importance of everything (and because of that have a problem using it) and therefore leave the faith later on. Just a suggestion...

But I've never heard of "praying it away". I've heard of casting out demons and practicing spiritual warfare (so praying when the spirit is trying to come back) but never praying the spirits out (casting is different from prayer, it is an authoritative command). 

Have you ever checked out the deliverance tools/spiritual warfare section on the forum? 

[gulfman]

I believe I didn´t explain myself right jakecmartin. When I mention "personally pray for deliverance", I was referring about spiritual warfare. I can not say that I´m gonna cast out demons because I still don´t know if there is any to be cast out. Therefore I mentioned "personally pray for deliverance" in opposition to "pray at distance" (without being in the presence of the person). And in the bible we see miracles happening at distance without laying hands.
I know that we don´t pray for demons to leave. I have cast out demons from people in several occasions before and I do exactly that act on the authority Jesus gave us. Nevertheless, we must not forget that there is several kinds of prayer. And you can pray with authority. To pray doesn´t always mean that you are asking something. Part of the prayer might be a command to situations, a releasing of blessings, a declaration regarding God´s will on something.
But I get your point. Thanks

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May 16, 2014 1:52:53 GMT -5 gulfman said:

I believe I didn´t explain myself right jakecmartin. When I mention "personally pray for deliverance", I was referring about spiritual warfare. I can not say that I´m gonna cast out demons because I still don´t know if there is any to be cast out. Therefore I mentioned "personally pray for deliverance" in opposition to "pray at distance" (without being in the presence of the person). And in the bible we see miracles happening at distance without laying hands.
I know that we don´t pray for demons to leave. I have cast out demons from people in several occasions before and I do exactly that act on the authority Jesus gave us. Nevertheless, we must not forget that there is several kinds of prayer. And you can pray with authority. To pray doesn´t always mean that you are asking something. Part of the prayer might be a command to situations, a releasing of blessings, a declaration regarding God´s will on something.
But I get your point. Thanks

Oh okay.

"I can not say that I´m gonna cast out demons because I still don´t know if there is any to be cast out." 

Well as Win Worley always used to say "don't cafeteria". Honestly it's better to get a list of 1000 of them and go through them all just to be safe than to assume that nothing is there. I posted a few of his booklets in a PDF format(and other pdf files as well) and they contain lists of demons in a zip file. 

Lol I disagree with the praying and commanding thing (ever since watching the Elijah Challenge) but that's fine. As long as some type of spiritual warfare is being done.  

God bless! 

[Saltandlight007]

May 16, 2014 6:23:59 GMT -5 @jakecmartin said:

"I can not say that I´m gonna cast out demons because I still don´t know if there is any to be cast out." 

Well as Win Worley always used to say "don't cafeteria". Honestly it's better to get a list of 1000 of them and go through them all just to be safe than to assume that nothing is there. I posted a few of his booklets in a PDF format(and other pdf files as well) and they contain lists of demons in a zip file. 

Lol I disagree with the praying and commanding thing (ever since watching the Elijah Challenge) but that's fine. As long as some type of spiritual warfare is being done.  

God bless! 

I believe in the practice of casting out demons - after all Jesus did it as did his disciples. We also known it to be very effective today. However, some (such as Win Worley) have attracted some criticism for an over-focusing on demonology and under-focusing on the believer taking responsibility in disciplining the flesh. I can see why. Derek Prince, Jim Logan, etc. had ministries of deliverance, but with what seemed to me to be a more balanced / biblically based practice and their lives reflected this also. It seems to me that casting out demons is less effective if the flesh has not been dealt with. If it is does initially work and the flesh has not been dealt with, it can do more damage in the long run; demons can return and one can end up in a worse state than before being delivered. If the flesh has been dealt with, many times demons will leave of their own accord as it becomes impossible for them to find anything to grip onto.

'Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you (James 4:7).'

There is the of risk of over focus on / blaming Satan and demons to the point where it glorifies the enemy above God and gives more power to the enemy than he actually has over the believer, while also sidestepping responsibility on our part as Christians to 'die to self', discipline the flesh and re-knew the mind with all the tools given to us in Scripture and the Holy Spirit within. This process automatically destroys the strongholds created by the enemy and strengthens our armour – which is more effective and permanent, while also allowing more room for God's power and the developing a Christ-like character.

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May 16, 2014 8:59:10 GMT -5 Saltandlight007 said:

May 16, 2014 6:23:59 GMT -5 @jakecmartin said:

"I can not say that I´m gonna cast out demons because I still don´t know if there is any to be cast out." 

Well as Win Worley always used to say "don't cafeteria". Honestly it's better to get a list of 1000 of them and go through them all just to be safe than to assume that nothing is there. I posted a few of his booklets in a PDF format(and other pdf files as well) and they contain lists of demons in a zip file. 

Lol I disagree with the praying and commanding thing (ever since watching the Elijah Challenge) but that's fine. As long as some type of spiritual warfare is being done.  

God bless! 

I believe in the practice of casting out demons - after all Jesus did it as did his disciples. We also known it to be very effective today. However, some (such as Win Worley) have attracted some criticism for an over-focusing on demonology and under-focusing on the believer taking responsibility in disciplining the flesh. I can see why. Derek Prince, Jim Logan, etc. had ministries of deliverance, but with what seemed to me to be a more balanced / biblically based practice and their lives reflected this also. It seems to me that casting out demons is less effective if the flesh has not been dealt with. If it is does initially work and the flesh has not been dealt with, it can do more damage in the long run; demons can return and one can end up in a worse state than before being delivered. If the flesh has been dealt with, many times demons will leave of their own accord as it becomes impossible for them to find anything to grip onto.

'Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you (James 4:7).'

There is the of risk of over focus on / blaming Satan and demons to the point where it glorifies the enemy above God and gives more power to the enemy than he actually has over the believer, while also sidestepping responsibility on our part as Christians to 'die to self', discipline the flesh and re-knew the mind with all the tools given to us in Scripture and the Holy Spirit within. This process automatically destroys the strongholds created by the enemy and strengthens our armour – which is more effective and permanent, while also allowing more room for God's power and the developing a Christ-like character.

Well in my opinion I think some ministries focus on certain things for a particular purpose..because someone needs to talk about it. Hegewisch Baptist (the name of Win's church) may not be the best one, but it is useful in providing information when you're looking into that kinda stuff. Having said that, I'm subscribed to them on Youtube and they are always getting guys in there to talk about taking responsibility and such. I think the issue is that we have no clue what exactly went on with Win because there weren't as many videos to circulate and the internet to circulate them as easily. So, you end up getting the demon videos because that was the message that needed to be spread. 

I agree with the ideas you have. There is a personal responsibility involved (for example, some demons come because of personal responsibility in the first place...) and flesh needs to be crucified. There's nothing wrong with knowledge on this stuff though.