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Post by hearingGod on May 20, 2014 12:52:20 GMT -5
i jus realized i missed adding that praise on the prayer session... where was it mentioned? we needa post it in tha praise section too... maybe then i won't forget for next time!
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Post by gulfman on May 20, 2014 17:03:12 GMT -5
Hehe.  I'm in........ Japan. I hope you can go meet him! That would be amazing!! You'll have to tell us ALL about it.  LOLLLLL!!! I´m friends with Torben in FB and some days ago he posted about somebody that was in Japan that wrote him telling a testimony that that person has seen on a forum. He posted this: Read this amazing testimony I just got from someone from Japan. This happen when one saw this video I here share and did something about it. ""I shared your video, "A husband and wife learn to heal the sick in 40 min" in a forum. A man watched it on Saturday, then healed someone at church the next day!! And after that there was my testimony. It was funny to read it!!  So now I know that it was probably you that wrote him. hahahahahahahahaha It´s funny! I also want to thank you CAT for letting him (Torben) know what happened. I think it´s always great to ear that you are helping others to grow. I told the testimony in the "Pioneers School" forum, but it was great that you also let him know. |
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Post by CAT on May 22, 2014 5:15:34 GMT -5
Woo hoo! I'm pumped. Hubby got a bonus at work today and called me to tell me I could use it to go to Singapore!  My hopes... 1. Get kickstarted 2. Get re-baptized 3. Get help receiving tongues 4. Get healing for me and my son |
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Post by CAT on Jun 1, 2014 4:20:46 GMT -5
Well, I just finished the last lesson. What an amazing series. Soooo good. I'm sad that it's done. But I do plan to go through it again in a few days or weeks... and take notes this time.
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Post by buildthefarm on Jun 1, 2014 20:56:12 GMT -5
my internet didn't want to keep showing video for the rest of the month after lesson 6 the kickstarting one. it quit right in the middle lol. so we ordered the book. Im so glad you are going!!!!!!!!! that is HUGE and AWESOME!!!!!! the Lord provides sis
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Post by gulfman on Jun 7, 2014 11:28:51 GMT -5
I really was touched by what God is doing through Torben, but I saw on FB something that made me a bit... Well... It seems to me that Torben defends that in order for a person to be saved it is imperative that he/she is baptized. It seems to me that he defends that only to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour wouldn´t be enough. What do you think about it?
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Post by buildthefarm on Jun 7, 2014 12:21:38 GMT -5
i try not to worry about the details honestly. i know my Bible really well and i disagree with almost everyone about something or another. one verse says confess with your mouth and believe in your heart, another says repent and be baptized. i figure just aim for the highest standard you can find and you'll land in a good place. in the story in luke, 2 men built houses, one dug deep and made a good foundation, the other built on top. the one with the foundation held strong in the storm. what i find interesting is both men built a house, Jesus called the house hearing and believing the Word of God. and the difference between the 2 was action. the one who dug down deep and made a strong foundation was said to be the one who did what he heard. some will never hear certain parts of the Word, to be able to do them, and i think with God thats ok. but those who do what they know is from God will stand strong and have a relationship with God that will sustain them. so for those who know to be baptized, be baptized…and now gotta discipline some children
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Post by warrior on Jun 7, 2014 14:38:17 GMT -5
Truly wise words. I find the gap between the Word and the practice of baptism to be quite astounding as it really was believe and be baptised but God looks at our hearts and how that affects our deeds. An Afghan was baptised in the hot tub at our men's group some time back and 2 weeks ago 2 more Afghans were baptised in the official pool at church and I'm sure that God recognises all three.
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Post by CAT on Jun 7, 2014 19:48:47 GMT -5
Gulfman, are you going thru the Pioneer School? I watched all 20 and a few times thought, "what?!" to his teaching. So I don't necessarily agree 100% with everything he says. But it is very clear that the hand of God and the favor of God are on this man and his ministry. When God is using someone it is easy for me to deduce that everything that man does and says is right. But I have to remind myself that he is but a man. He is not perfect and will make mistakes. Having said that.... I grew up firmly believing that baptism was not necessary for salvation. I visited my friend's church when I was 18, before I was baptized, and participated in communion. Afterward, they asked me when I was baptized and I said, not yet. They were shocked. They told me I was not allowed to partake if not baptized. I was pretty offended. Last year I started watching a lot of Francis Chan videos and began changing my feelings/beliefs about baptism. I began to see it as pretty important. And something that Torben says in his teaching made a lot of sense to me. When people in the Bible heard the gospel, what was their response? "Can I ask Jesus into my heart?" No. It was, "Can I get baptized? I want to get baptized." And yes, the Bible says, believe and you will be saved. But can we not say belief = obedience? If people believe Jesus they will (should) obey Him. Anyway... my 2 cents. And one other thing... in one of the lessons, Torben makes it clear that ultimately he does not know, only God knows. |
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Post by warrior on Jun 8, 2014 3:44:38 GMT -5
There are two issues in what you say, Cat. We cannot easily escape the church teaching that we need to be 'prepared' for baptism, by waiting so long or completing this course or that. It is not biblical, it is the ecclesiastic class distancing the laity from God. The second point relates to denying Eucharist to the saints and it is the exact same thing at work. The Bible clearly teaches that it is a massive responsibility but it is a personal responsibility; that each of us should examine our own heart - are we really prepared to commit to obeying Christ. He told us to do it but we must not do it lightly or half heartedly. Jesus certainly did not tell us to eat this and drink this when you have qualified, are judged to be acceptable by my representatives who must be certified by a bishop or it doesn't count. How many people have been offended in the same way by the 'church'? Not a good fruit. No, we are the body of the church and Jesus is the Head.
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Post by Saltandlight007 on Jun 8, 2014 4:25:41 GMT -5
Cat, I can't say that I agree with anyone about everything 100% - including Torben and Francis. One of the reasons I like Torben is because he admits that 'only God knows' – showing humility. Only God is all knowing. 'Knowing in part' (1 Cor 13:9) is a good thing I believe - it's humbling (pride being our greatest enemy). My thoughts are that conversion in the the heart is the important part (when we are saved), with water baptism being an outward sign of commitment / obedience to the Word.
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Post by CAT on Jun 8, 2014 5:16:14 GMT -5
Warrior, (sorry, I'm a little dense  ) I couldn't tell if you were agreeing with me or disagreeing - lol. I think my point was that my personal view on the importance of baptism has been changing over the past few months. I have been influenced by Torben's teaching which points out 1. people's response in the NT to the gospel was to get baptized, 2. they got baptized immediately, and 3. the thought of someone in the NT calling them-self a follower of Jesus but not being baptized would have been absurd. When I got baptized in Japan many years ago I was required to go through preparation. Also, the Baptist church I go to know (I go here for lack of better options) requires classes and stuff before one can get baptized. I completely agree that this is not Biblical but merely traditions of men. And you lost me at "deny Eucharist to the saints". (  ) |
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Post by gulfman on Jun 8, 2014 7:17:26 GMT -5
Gulfman, are you going thru the Pioneer School? I watched all 20 and a few times thought, "what?!" to his teaching. So I don't necessarily agree 100% with everything he says. But it is very clear that the hand of God and the favor of God are on this man and his ministry. When God is using someone it is easy for me to deduce that everything that man does and says is right. But I have to remind myself that he is but a man. He is not perfect and will make mistakes. Having said that.... I grew up firmly believing that baptism was not necessary for salvation. I visited my friend's church when I was 18, before I was baptized, and participated in communion. Afterward, they asked me when I was baptized and I said, not yet. They were shocked. They told me I was not allowed to partake if not baptized. I was pretty offended. Last year I started watching a lot of Francis Chan videos and began changing my feelings/beliefs about baptism. I began to see it as pretty important. And something that Torben says in his teaching made a lot of sense to me. When people in the Bible heard the gospel, what was their response? "Can I ask Jesus into my heart?" No. It was, "Can I get baptized? I want to get baptized." And yes, the Bible says, believe and you will be saved. But can we not say belief = obedience? If people believe Jesus they will (should) obey Him. Anyway... my 2 cents. And one other thing... in one of the lessons, Torben makes it clear that ultimately he does not know, only God knows. I´m watching the lessons and I signed in the website. Torben´s ministry really impacted me. And I think it´s great. I don´t think just because I don´t agree with something somebody defends all the things that person defend are wrong. I do like and agree with lots of Torben´s teachings, but when I read that post on FB and some of the arguments I don´t think he is right. And I brought it up here to find out other people opinions. I´m baptized in water and with the HS, so it´s nothing regarding my personal condition. I just wanted to "ear" other people opinions. I totally agree that is not the prayer without sincerity that will save you. I also agree and have been saying that to lots of ministers friends that when somebody "accepts" Jesus it´s not the end but the beginning off all. Normally we always end up discussing about the question that if is possible that someone that accepted Christ can loose his salvation afterwards. I believe that water baptism is more of a public statement of your will to follow Jesus and it should be practiced because the Word says so. Jesus sacrifice is all sufficient for our salvation, and there is nothing we can add to that. But no doubt Torben´s ministry has really impacted me. Even this week on church, we were praying in groups and suddenly I started to feel pain in my shoulder, and I was thinking "Where this came from?! I was ok. And It just came to my mind "maybe God is trying to tell me something- maybe someone in this praying group is feeling this and I´m supposed to pray for that person", at the same time that voice just came in "What if your wrong? People will think that you´re only trying to impress and that you want to call the attention to you, bla bla bla bla". But I rebuked that voice and decided to be bold, and when we finished I ask if somebody was feeling pain on the shoulder. Instantly a lady said she was feeling intense pain on her shoulder. I asked her if we could pray, and she said OK. I commanded the pain to left and the shoulder to be healed in the Name of Jesus Christ (took about 7 seconds), and I asked her to check it out. She was looking to me like "what??? That´s it??!! Only that?? So fast?!", but she became even more amazed when the pain was almost gone. We than prayed a second time commanding the pain to leave and her shoulder to be healed, and she got totally healed!!! And she gave her testimony. So, I´m coming out in faith and boldness, and I´m asking The Lord to give me more boldness, but I know that It´s up to me!! |
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Post by hearingGod on Jun 8, 2014 8:18:32 GMT -5
i so busy i no time to watch any of the vids... but i can say i was shar'in w/ some peeps other day that i'd been chatting w/ God about some torben/white stuff. should we feel bad if we are not street-healing? should we be jumping people and praying for them every moment we get? the return impression of: 'are we esteeming to follow the men or are we following Jesus?'
all this 'thinking' cuz the enemy has been attacking my mind w/ guilt trip stuff re: the subject because i'm not out studying & doing this stuff. could i from time to time... yes. but all the time.... well being that i'm maxed w/ what i'm already doing... i have to maintain. have to be responsible w/ the talents i've been given. contentment where i'm at.
what are our giftings & what are we called to do? who does the Lord send to us? are we faithful in the little first?
i love smith wigglesworth, but as much as i also hate demons on peeps, the controversial punching people (the demonic) was what he was shown to do... i can only do what i'm shown to do... not copy some method that had results. that punching thing was really stepping out on a limb for smith, i'm sure.... what limbs will we be called to step out on in faith?
each one of us has a one of a kind unique ministry to do... a specific way & although admiring & getting excited about what He's doing thru others... we need to be asking 'how do YOU want to use me??'
the hard area is where God is nudging us to step out to do the uncomfortable thing & we don't want to & satan jumps in w/ condemnation & so then justify the 'no condemnation in Christ Jesus' by just never stepping out.... that is what i don't want to do in this delicate balance. ahh, the battlefield of the mind! i was at a baseball game the other night talking w/ Him & throwing out fleeces. even then i wonder if my fleeces were too specific, LOL... and we all think this way ha ha... gotta just keep learning, talking & abiding.
i'm grateful to be surrounded by you all so we can rally & push the envelopes together. none of us wants to be found in disobedience in the specific thing He's telling us individually. and the cool bonus is the 'rub off' of the anointing thru our pulling on eachother. so i may not have time to follow everyone, but i'm watching you and pulling on your testimonials and zeal! keep it com'in - WOOT!
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Post by CAT on Jun 8, 2014 18:37:28 GMT -5
Gulfman, awesome testimony!!! BTW, if anyone is interested, I love how Francis Chan addresses the topic of baptism here. |
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I'm in........ Japan.
So now I know that it was probably you that wrote him. hahahahahahahahaha It´s funny! 
) I couldn't tell if you were agreeing with me or disagreeing - lol. I think my point was that my personal view on the importance of baptism has been changing over the past few months. I have been influenced by Torben's teaching which points out 1. people's response in the NT to the gospel was to get baptized, 2. they got baptized immediately, and 3. the thought of someone in the NT calling them-self a follower of Jesus but not being baptized would have been absurd.
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