Post by buildthefarm on Sept 1, 2013 18:45:20 GMT -5
below i have cut n paste something I've been writing little by little for a couple of weeks. this is an outline or rough draft. so i want anyone who wants to, feel free to add anything i forgot or correct anything i have wrong. i will not get upset so lay into it if it doesnt line up with the Word. i feel like some final version of this needs to be given to churches and ministries all over the world. time is short. the body is to be one and God is working in that direction.
dear church
Gods frame work for His church?
*work together between denominations
i think we are stuck with this denomination thing for the time being. even though we know that we are not supposed to separate based on who follows paul, who follows apollos and who follows william miller. A house divided against itself can not stand. so its time to work together between denominations. We have
to join ourselves together. every week or every month or whatever works we need to connect with another church or a different denomination in our area and eat together with them. eating together and even buying each other meals will build ties.
*all ministry is free. freely you were given so freely give
as was given to you freely give. thats a command from Jesus himself. if you are going to follow him lets not stop charging for ministry. oh your services are free? what about the coffee shop? what about the t-shirts? what about the books and cd and dvd sets? do you not believe the Lord will provide? step out in faith and give these things away and if theres no money then just stop having them in your church or ministry. yes this goes for authors and evangelists too. how am i going to eat or how will i get clothes? look at the lilies…… anything on your heart to do for the kingdom God will provide for unless its not the right time or your acting out of your own mind or your not ready yet… if its in Gods will then trust him and not a marketing strategy. the way so many do it now turns people away from the kingdom not towards it. its not about you its about advancing the kingdom. all hard work brings a prophet so if God isn't giving to your cause roll up your sleeves and go do some work like paul did. he made tents on the side so no one could have anything against him. are you better than paul?
*do not manipulate with your money. don preach the tithing sermon if you are worried about revenue
in seminary they teach you to preach about giving and tithing when your getting low on money. don't do that. may i suggest only preaching about tithing when your church is flush with money. until then live with what God has given you or even get a part time job to make up the difference. but don't manipulate the bride of Christ.
*send a tithe to israel
Israel is Gods land and Gods people whether you like it or not. so lets give to them. out of what your church or ministry brings in as tithe or offering send a tithe or offering to Israel. if you bless them you will be blessed. hey if you don't believe your Bible then write your own book and change you sign to say the church of mans opinion, and do it however you want. but we are Gods people and we need to do things His way not ours if we are going to call ourselves Christian. there should be a very obvious difference between those who believe and those who just became ministers as a way to feed their own wallets and egos. so lets give to Israel.
*never have anymore debt for the church
debt is not a gift from God. you qualified for a loan for a new church building? don't even consider it. if you need a bigger building pray for provision, together with all the church. pray every week, pray everyday, put out donation buckets do what can and wait on the Lord. let Him provide, do not go get a loan in the name of the church. don't have any other kind of debt either. use money for ministry not for bills. always keep overhead low. now if you already have debt go to your congregation and ask them for forgiveness. then ask God to provide a way out from under this debt. remember the borrower is slave to the lender. as leader of a congregation of believers you do not want to subject them to slavery to a bank. your job is to disciple them and send them out into the world to do the same. we are slaves to Christ not to the bank.
*help the church goers pay off each others debts and all their major needs
this was modeled in the church from the time of Peter and John and Paul. we take care of each others needs so that we don't need debt and those of us who already have debt we need to pay for that and make sure they understand that a Christian never should have debt again. this would free the church financially to do all of the work and not rely solely on the few who give now.
*no selling tshirts or food or anything else, if you don't have the money for any event don't have the event. its not ministry to sell hot dogs
no more selling things in church or at church events. if we can afford to offer free hot dogs maybe we don't need to have hot dogs. if we can't spring for some tshirts maybe we awta take up a collection or just wear our own clothes.
*do not deny Gods power, the Bible is true, and if you do not believe i will spit you out of my mouth.
spot denying Gods power. stop trying to figure out the details of why things may work for some and not others or sometimes and not others. if you pray and nothing happens pray again. and then repeat. ask others to pray with you and repeat. at some point God will act to answer that prayer.
*evangelize with love
who needs Christ? everyone right? so why not instead of arguing for our position, or advocating our views, lets instead evangelize with love. 'oh you hate me, oh you think I'm wrong, oh you think I'm hateful, oh you think i should be imprisoned, beaten and executed?' i love you. God loves you. taste and see that the Lord is good. God bless you friend. here is my other cheek, here is my cloak, take it its yours now.
*heal the sick and cast out demons
the entire ministry of Jesus on this earth consisted of healing the sick, casting out demons, and teaching about the Kingdom of God. can we model our churches after that sometime before He comes back.
*disclaimer: if the church won't do it Gods way, the church will die and be cut off.
a time is coming very soon when churches that won't do this Gods way will no longer exist. you might want to get out in front of the trend and do it Gods way now.
*take care of the needs of the poor and widow: food, clothing, and household chores, school supplies and whatever else
the church should meet the needs of all both inside and outside the church. anyone who is hungry come to me and let him eat. if you say stay warm and eat well but you don't give food and clothes what use are you?
*no above average salaries.
the workers deserve their wages but if the average congregation member makes 40K thats what the pastor and church staff should make. if the pastor needs something outside his budget the congregation can give him a love offering. but there is no reason for paying a minister twice what his flock makes. this causes people to turn away. it gives the appearance that your in this for money. and preaching should not be a vocation by which a man sets out to be wealthy, but to serve and have what God provides for him to be.
*never share whats not true
all of the 'new information' that goes against scripture should never enter the church period. to avoid this it would be helpful to teach the way the jewish synagogs teach. just teach from the Bible itself. don't bother with a bunch of other books and ideas that seem good. we all know that not everything is as it seems to be.
*persistence and perseverance
i think these are cornerstones to discipleship and they should be worked on and taught in and out of the church. if we press on toward the goal we will go so much further than we can go if we do not.
*let Godly people in the church give advice on things in their area of expertise
there should be a way to connect Godly, experienced people with younger, less experienced people on an issue by issue basis. we all understand different things based on what God has given us to understand. and young people desperately need that wisdom passed on. maybe you can have a question box and call on those most equipped to answer the questions to go and have a meal with the person asking the question and discuss it. idk but there has to be a way to pass on Godly wisdom.
*support and send missionaries, prophets, and apostles and anyone with a call from God to go and spread the gospel.
many already do this but it is a need globally and we need to fill it.
*forgive
unforgiveness is at the heart of many of the divides in the church today. we are ripped to shreds by differences and blemished by not forgiving once the wounds have been made.
*baptism in the Holy Spirit
there is no question this is a new testament doctrine and that it a real thing. so lets quit being so self focused and saying i haven't seen it so its not real. or worse i was taught its not real so forget Acts its only one book and it was written at a different time. the Lord is the same now and forever guys. if you don't see it go looking. seek and you WILL find. stop explaining away the Bible. when paul asks which baptism did you receive? and they said Johns we didn't know there was anymore. paul didn't say ok well your basically on the right track so go do your thing. what should we say?
*blood of the lamb, word of our testimony, and love not your life unto death
we will overcome by the blood of the Lamb, the word or our testimony and loving not our life unto death. if something is out of line here maybe that is why so many are not overcoming. we need the blood, we need to speak our story to others and we need to be willing to go even literally to death if that is our call. if you want to overcome thats how it works.
*Gods people and the worlds people are going to go to the places where God is working, God is going to work where His will is followed.
so if you continue in your own will and not Gods in your church your church will die. so repent and turn back to Gods way so that you will be blessed and not spit out.
*focus on each believer doing and not watching. discipleship
church is not interactive. you can go to church and go home and thats it. so, many people do just that and think thats what Christians do.
*dont do formulas rely on Jesus Christ to do the transforming work by any means necessary.
the Bible provides much information on what leads to what. but that doesn't mean there is a formula. there is always something to work on and work towards but Jesus does the transforming work in our hearts. so praying for things like patience and kindness and on down the list are great prayers that He will answer. but lets not make some system of you do this and He does that all the until you become mr or mrs perfect. changing your heart will happen in Gods way, there is no way to centrally plan for that form the highest ranks of churchdom. so lets just pray for Him to do it His way and we get out of the way, believe and watch it happen.
*tax exempt status
can we just start paying taxes? i mean if the government thinks that taxes are a means of controlling what is said then just pay them and say what God says you should say. Christians are killed and imprisoned and beaten all over the world and we in our safety are bowing to money and politics. there is no excuse for that. if we do too much of it we will soon see exactly what the rest of the body is going through and those who don't fall away will find out what the promised blessing is in being persecuted because it will soon happen here.
*house of prayer
do you think maybe we can give up the whole 'sermon' thing and just teach Bible, pray for each other, and thank God for all the prayers He has already answered and all those we have faith that He will answer going forward? why not have a big chalk board full of prayers that have been answered and prayers that have not. and thank Him for the answered ones and continue praying for the ones not yet answered. why do we even have to lock the doors at night? can't we just let anyone come in and pray any time they want? can't God protect His own house? if the computer gets stolen why would we even file a police report? why not just put a sign on the door to the one who stole it that if he needs anything else just ask?
*connection
the church is one church. the whole world has only one church. and we need to know each other. we have the technology and even if we only had snail male we still need to connect with believers everywhere. there is no reason to have so many religions that claim to be the Kingdom when Jesus clearly said don't do that. be one. if you don't want to obey Christ then don't claim to be Christian. we need to put this one ripped apart global body that is the bride of Christ back together. men have screwed it up and God can fix it. so reach out to the others and let God work. connections among believers need to be made and we need to do this in a hurry. the end is near and house divided against itself CAN NOT STAND
dear church
Gods frame work for His church?
*work together between denominations
i think we are stuck with this denomination thing for the time being. even though we know that we are not supposed to separate based on who follows paul, who follows apollos and who follows william miller. A house divided against itself can not stand. so its time to work together between denominations. We have
to join ourselves together. every week or every month or whatever works we need to connect with another church or a different denomination in our area and eat together with them. eating together and even buying each other meals will build ties.
*all ministry is free. freely you were given so freely give
as was given to you freely give. thats a command from Jesus himself. if you are going to follow him lets not stop charging for ministry. oh your services are free? what about the coffee shop? what about the t-shirts? what about the books and cd and dvd sets? do you not believe the Lord will provide? step out in faith and give these things away and if theres no money then just stop having them in your church or ministry. yes this goes for authors and evangelists too. how am i going to eat or how will i get clothes? look at the lilies…… anything on your heart to do for the kingdom God will provide for unless its not the right time or your acting out of your own mind or your not ready yet… if its in Gods will then trust him and not a marketing strategy. the way so many do it now turns people away from the kingdom not towards it. its not about you its about advancing the kingdom. all hard work brings a prophet so if God isn't giving to your cause roll up your sleeves and go do some work like paul did. he made tents on the side so no one could have anything against him. are you better than paul?
*do not manipulate with your money. don preach the tithing sermon if you are worried about revenue
in seminary they teach you to preach about giving and tithing when your getting low on money. don't do that. may i suggest only preaching about tithing when your church is flush with money. until then live with what God has given you or even get a part time job to make up the difference. but don't manipulate the bride of Christ.
*send a tithe to israel
Israel is Gods land and Gods people whether you like it or not. so lets give to them. out of what your church or ministry brings in as tithe or offering send a tithe or offering to Israel. if you bless them you will be blessed. hey if you don't believe your Bible then write your own book and change you sign to say the church of mans opinion, and do it however you want. but we are Gods people and we need to do things His way not ours if we are going to call ourselves Christian. there should be a very obvious difference between those who believe and those who just became ministers as a way to feed their own wallets and egos. so lets give to Israel.
*never have anymore debt for the church
debt is not a gift from God. you qualified for a loan for a new church building? don't even consider it. if you need a bigger building pray for provision, together with all the church. pray every week, pray everyday, put out donation buckets do what can and wait on the Lord. let Him provide, do not go get a loan in the name of the church. don't have any other kind of debt either. use money for ministry not for bills. always keep overhead low. now if you already have debt go to your congregation and ask them for forgiveness. then ask God to provide a way out from under this debt. remember the borrower is slave to the lender. as leader of a congregation of believers you do not want to subject them to slavery to a bank. your job is to disciple them and send them out into the world to do the same. we are slaves to Christ not to the bank.
*help the church goers pay off each others debts and all their major needs
this was modeled in the church from the time of Peter and John and Paul. we take care of each others needs so that we don't need debt and those of us who already have debt we need to pay for that and make sure they understand that a Christian never should have debt again. this would free the church financially to do all of the work and not rely solely on the few who give now.
*no selling tshirts or food or anything else, if you don't have the money for any event don't have the event. its not ministry to sell hot dogs
no more selling things in church or at church events. if we can afford to offer free hot dogs maybe we don't need to have hot dogs. if we can't spring for some tshirts maybe we awta take up a collection or just wear our own clothes.
*do not deny Gods power, the Bible is true, and if you do not believe i will spit you out of my mouth.
spot denying Gods power. stop trying to figure out the details of why things may work for some and not others or sometimes and not others. if you pray and nothing happens pray again. and then repeat. ask others to pray with you and repeat. at some point God will act to answer that prayer.
*evangelize with love
who needs Christ? everyone right? so why not instead of arguing for our position, or advocating our views, lets instead evangelize with love. 'oh you hate me, oh you think I'm wrong, oh you think I'm hateful, oh you think i should be imprisoned, beaten and executed?' i love you. God loves you. taste and see that the Lord is good. God bless you friend. here is my other cheek, here is my cloak, take it its yours now.
*heal the sick and cast out demons
the entire ministry of Jesus on this earth consisted of healing the sick, casting out demons, and teaching about the Kingdom of God. can we model our churches after that sometime before He comes back.
*disclaimer: if the church won't do it Gods way, the church will die and be cut off.
a time is coming very soon when churches that won't do this Gods way will no longer exist. you might want to get out in front of the trend and do it Gods way now.
*take care of the needs of the poor and widow: food, clothing, and household chores, school supplies and whatever else
the church should meet the needs of all both inside and outside the church. anyone who is hungry come to me and let him eat. if you say stay warm and eat well but you don't give food and clothes what use are you?
*no above average salaries.
the workers deserve their wages but if the average congregation member makes 40K thats what the pastor and church staff should make. if the pastor needs something outside his budget the congregation can give him a love offering. but there is no reason for paying a minister twice what his flock makes. this causes people to turn away. it gives the appearance that your in this for money. and preaching should not be a vocation by which a man sets out to be wealthy, but to serve and have what God provides for him to be.
*never share whats not true
all of the 'new information' that goes against scripture should never enter the church period. to avoid this it would be helpful to teach the way the jewish synagogs teach. just teach from the Bible itself. don't bother with a bunch of other books and ideas that seem good. we all know that not everything is as it seems to be.
*persistence and perseverance
i think these are cornerstones to discipleship and they should be worked on and taught in and out of the church. if we press on toward the goal we will go so much further than we can go if we do not.
*let Godly people in the church give advice on things in their area of expertise
there should be a way to connect Godly, experienced people with younger, less experienced people on an issue by issue basis. we all understand different things based on what God has given us to understand. and young people desperately need that wisdom passed on. maybe you can have a question box and call on those most equipped to answer the questions to go and have a meal with the person asking the question and discuss it. idk but there has to be a way to pass on Godly wisdom.
*support and send missionaries, prophets, and apostles and anyone with a call from God to go and spread the gospel.
many already do this but it is a need globally and we need to fill it.
*forgive
unforgiveness is at the heart of many of the divides in the church today. we are ripped to shreds by differences and blemished by not forgiving once the wounds have been made.
*baptism in the Holy Spirit
there is no question this is a new testament doctrine and that it a real thing. so lets quit being so self focused and saying i haven't seen it so its not real. or worse i was taught its not real so forget Acts its only one book and it was written at a different time. the Lord is the same now and forever guys. if you don't see it go looking. seek and you WILL find. stop explaining away the Bible. when paul asks which baptism did you receive? and they said Johns we didn't know there was anymore. paul didn't say ok well your basically on the right track so go do your thing. what should we say?
*blood of the lamb, word of our testimony, and love not your life unto death
we will overcome by the blood of the Lamb, the word or our testimony and loving not our life unto death. if something is out of line here maybe that is why so many are not overcoming. we need the blood, we need to speak our story to others and we need to be willing to go even literally to death if that is our call. if you want to overcome thats how it works.
*Gods people and the worlds people are going to go to the places where God is working, God is going to work where His will is followed.
so if you continue in your own will and not Gods in your church your church will die. so repent and turn back to Gods way so that you will be blessed and not spit out.
*focus on each believer doing and not watching. discipleship
church is not interactive. you can go to church and go home and thats it. so, many people do just that and think thats what Christians do.
*dont do formulas rely on Jesus Christ to do the transforming work by any means necessary.
the Bible provides much information on what leads to what. but that doesn't mean there is a formula. there is always something to work on and work towards but Jesus does the transforming work in our hearts. so praying for things like patience and kindness and on down the list are great prayers that He will answer. but lets not make some system of you do this and He does that all the until you become mr or mrs perfect. changing your heart will happen in Gods way, there is no way to centrally plan for that form the highest ranks of churchdom. so lets just pray for Him to do it His way and we get out of the way, believe and watch it happen.
*tax exempt status
can we just start paying taxes? i mean if the government thinks that taxes are a means of controlling what is said then just pay them and say what God says you should say. Christians are killed and imprisoned and beaten all over the world and we in our safety are bowing to money and politics. there is no excuse for that. if we do too much of it we will soon see exactly what the rest of the body is going through and those who don't fall away will find out what the promised blessing is in being persecuted because it will soon happen here.
*house of prayer
do you think maybe we can give up the whole 'sermon' thing and just teach Bible, pray for each other, and thank God for all the prayers He has already answered and all those we have faith that He will answer going forward? why not have a big chalk board full of prayers that have been answered and prayers that have not. and thank Him for the answered ones and continue praying for the ones not yet answered. why do we even have to lock the doors at night? can't we just let anyone come in and pray any time they want? can't God protect His own house? if the computer gets stolen why would we even file a police report? why not just put a sign on the door to the one who stole it that if he needs anything else just ask?
*connection
the church is one church. the whole world has only one church. and we need to know each other. we have the technology and even if we only had snail male we still need to connect with believers everywhere. there is no reason to have so many religions that claim to be the Kingdom when Jesus clearly said don't do that. be one. if you don't want to obey Christ then don't claim to be Christian. we need to put this one ripped apart global body that is the bride of Christ back together. men have screwed it up and God can fix it. so reach out to the others and let God work. connections among believers need to be made and we need to do this in a hurry. the end is near and house divided against itself CAN NOT STAND
