'Unpleasantries', a cult edu

[hearingGod]

A community is one that sups and shares and grows together... where fruit is tested and proven and all that good stuff--- not fly by night 'dump-offs' w/ no ability to test. I'm really not one to run people, people groups, or denominations down because I have been in and around cults before, and good also-blinded people, are mixed right in with the tares. I never want to throw the baby out with the bath water, or shut any door to witness because I've 'damned this, that or so-and-so to hell', LOL. In my series of sharing about a cult experience I never even shared any cult names because it was no point to indeed point people to 'bad stuff', as I had already went to cult members --those whom I supped with, and was rejected.

So in the context of this community, I do want to touch on such an 'unpleasantry' of a specific ministry that's really prevalent on YouTube, that I find many brush up against of whom I sup with. I do find that those I've spoken to have admitted some excitement over some of the spiritual warfare that the ministry teaches but when I've shared what I've seen and know, they come back and admit they did have a little red flag on the discernment ladder.

The ministry is fellowship of the martyrs, headed by doug perry… also known as fotm1 on YouTube.
I will share the 'why'….

In 2010 I was led to watch a video by doug entitled: "DANGER!! To WHOM are YOU married?! Marriage Licenses bond you to the STATE! fotm1"
Below the vid he writes (to give you the jist):

"The government has encroached FAR more than most anyone knows into the areas for which GOD should have authority. We have VOLUNTARILY given them our children and our assets and our fruit! A marriage license is NOT mandatory in order to get married - or even in order for the State to recognize your marriage! But if you DO get one, then you better understand that you are now subject to THEM."

I heard what he had to say and even looked at the annulment document he referenced and you know…. for A MOMENT…. I actually thought "hey maybe I should do this….right on, 'spiritually' is really what marriage is, afterall…."
However, this put up a major red flag in the discernment area because the Holy Spirit said to me, 'what spirit is this of?'---------> FEAR!

*Reminder…. what does love do? Hopes all things…. doesn't sit around and profess, 'they are out to get us!'… especially if God is the one that places kings over us, right?

So, I quit poking my nose fotm's way and every time people would ask "what do you think about fotm?", I'd share that experience and tell them to pray and ask God. You can only 'go' with what you 'know', a?

After that time... I'd had a dream warning of a ministry affiliate of fotm that had then broke off with doug… and then watched another proclaim that the Holy Spirit is female (really?!)…. and so I can't say anything touching fotm was bearing good fruit either.

In Sept. of 2011 I posted my cult experience testimony...
In Nov. of 2011 I had a dream…
Doug/fotm1 & people that I somehow knew were of his following & then another youtuber was in the dream as well. At first the symbolism seemed like the theme was an exhortation to choose unity among the brethren above all else… so I contacted that youtuber and fotm1 w/ my dream & what I thought it meant…. both said 'okay' to the message & that was that. Well then from that point, the youtuber & I actually became friends… he actually shared that he had friends that live at fotm and had been encouraging him to come live there too! (EDU: fotm runs a food pantry & people that like the ministry all live at an apartment complex that they've kinda taken over). As the dream became clearer... my friend realized that it saved him from going and living there!

Then came further dream understanding *gulp*…. the Lord opened my eyes to the deeper meaning of the symbolism….
There were a lot of yt ministries at a camp type setting coming together...Eating ect.
the key part was that (my husband/ which was really the Lord in the dream)…. HE bought back a white vehicle from doug... HE didn't 'need it', but He bought it back and I was sweeping off all the white bubbled paint from the roof & hood….

Paint: Doctrine, truth or deception.
Sweeping: Cleaning house (own tent, tabernacle that the Holy Spirit lives in); repentance; change; actively taking barriers down; admonishment of sinners.

so… buying it back cuz He doesn't need it…. YiKeS!

In 2012… droves of hurt and wounded people, that have found my cult experience videos, begin to show up for ministry… and they are coming from fotm. There is a common theme & it's what I was shown at the very beginning… 'axing' marriages. Because of the heavy emphasis on 'God' picking who marries who… people freely abandon their so-called 'invalid' marriage certificates for some soul mate that 'God' has for them…. even though people are already in 'marriage'. families with kids split up because 'they heard God', 'they asked Jesus', 'Jesus said…'…. does this scripture ring a bell?:

"You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed." 2 Corinthians 11:4

I don't think it's really safe to ask 'Jesus' if (someone that's legally married) if that could be your soul mate… going beyond common sense…. 2 Cor. 11:4 says it all…. anything/one can 'say' it's Jesus… that's why the Word and common sense go hand in hand with the Holy Spirit.

Puts me to mind of this good 'oldie' (it'll pop-up in another window):
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Yes, there are plenty of 'religious spirits' out there that are happy to cater to what the flesh wants…. and I could go on, but I think I've shared enough… by their FRUITS, you shall know them. Unfortunately, some have found fotm to be a pretty painted house, but once inside, have realized it's only cardboard…. and when the rain came, their houses crumbled.

For those that sup within my sphere of influence.. please do listen. I have no agenda or motives…I simply bring forth what HE has shown me and the fruit borne with it. Pay attention, research and most importantly… pray and ask Him. If I don't even ask Him and He shows me simply because helping people out of cults is something He calls me to do…. how much more will He answer those that sincerely want HIS direction, because they want the narrow road? HE will answer. And know if I've stepped on any toes… well, wouldn't you do the same? Real Love steps on toes sometimes…
Thanks for bearing with me on this one… it needed to be shared.
Love you all!

[Eric Latham]

Haha Wow... Perfect timing. 2 nights ago I had seen 2 of his videos, one was on fasting and the other was on interpreting tongues and then he was like "...More on Fellowshipofthemartyrs.com!" so I went on there and I didn't really check it out cause it was late but I just judged off of those 2 videos and told the prophet I have become friends with about the site and how it seemed to be really good based on what this man said and this morning he had told me how he had discerned that this ministry had handed itself over to the devil and then I just came on here and saw this right after I read his email. Haha God is good at doing stuff like that! Thanks for writing this.

[hearingGod]

YAY!....He really does keep and protect His own--God bless the mystical body of Christ for obedience!
1Jo 2:28 "And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

[buildthefarm]

yeah i may as well share my run in as well, since its up here. i had given an old pastor a message and was telling HG about it and then i started watching some doug vids and subscribed on fotm yt page and i liked what he had to say a lot so i decided to donate some money. well i couldnt find a donate button so instead i just bought 3 of his books in support for the ministry. then i get an email from HG that says, did (the man who you gave the message to a couple weeks ago) did his name start with 'D'? well his name was Dick and wow was i blown away thinking i was bout to get some revelation on that!! so i said yes and told her his name and how i knew him. then i told her bout this great book i was reading and this YT guy named doug, then i offered to send her a copy of the book so she could check it out!! lol when she told me what she had dreamed and what had happened i took a little harder look at the book and realized how really out of wack some of this stuff was. but if she hadnt mentioned anything i coulda gone on a gotten all those out of wack ideas floating in my head ready to produce bad fruit in my life. God has used this message for many people, to help them past satans bump in the road. Praise God for giving us what we need when we need it even when we didnt ask:)

[paulholmes]

Oh, yah -- I once subscribed to him but after watching a few videos it started getting weirder and weirder -- all these "mechanical" rules for hearing the voice of God -- using passphrases to know it was really the Holy Spirit (if He said the right passphrase then it was Him speaking). Later I watched another You Tuber describe the whole "swap mates" thing that he had observed while he was there. He came away very saddened and disillusioned.

At one point (at my old now defunct gmail You Tube site) I noticed a young sister who I subscribed to was liking some of his videos. I wrote her a personal message telling her about some of the things I had discovered. A few days later I noticed she had unsubscribed from me! LOL! Actually I have faith that she'll be okay but sometimes it's hard to tell someone they're in the wrong place when they think they've received a blessing from that venue.

You know, it's so easy to get deceived, especially if you're somewhat immature in the faith and someone comes along and claims they're "hearing" from the Lord. Even if what you hear seems a little strange at times, in your immaturity you think, "Well, what if that IS the Lord and if I don't do what he says or believe what the voice is telling him, then maybe I'm going against the Lord." I've been there, done that. I watched your "cult-days" videos and totally identified.

There are many so-called "prophetic" voices out there on You Tube. I personally don't make judgements unless it's obvious. There are many sites I've subscribed to then unsubscribed to because something wasn't jelling. With those I just say, "Well, I'm not called to listen to them but I don't judge them." With others, however, you get enough of a taste of their beliefs to know they're subject to evil spirits who are working through them to control others and short-circuit their freedom in Christ.

Great post Freeds. One wonderful common-sense video on false doctrine is the following video I've watched several times by Rabbi Jonathan Cahn:

[buildthefarm]

gotta luv some jonathan cain!! i just came back cuz i forgot to mention this. not even sure i ever told anyone but recapping the story reminded me. after i figured out i didnt need to read those books i through them all in the trash can. then i came home and they were back on the bookshelf!! lol someone took them out of the trash and put them back up. i guess thinking the kids had done it idk, i didn't ask just threw them away again but seriously they were just back on the bookshelf the next day. i was thinkin man i man just have to light these on fire to get them to leave!! lol

[paulholmes]

to buildthefarm: LOL!

And Jonathan Cahn is a brilliant, yet humble servant of God. He has a way of distilling things down to their commonsense biblical essence.

[hearingGod]

okay... i've since moved this topic so it can be for public view.... because I had a dream last night...

in the dream (and i knew it was springtime) some of the plants i had just planted were already ripe. there was a watermelon about thigh-high already!
I went to get my camera, because I wanted to document this OMG event & my husband (interp as the Lord) had already broken into it and suddenly it was like a city street and people were stopping by and He was sharing it.

....in this, I know I am to do the same w/ this post, and the big point is to look at the fruit of fotm....

and the last part of the dream was that there was a row of corn that i knew i planted... it was technically on my neighbors land... it too was at full harvest but not only that.... but at the base of these corn plants was a bumper crop of huge tomato plants that i know i did not plant.
....so in this i know that somehow it will extend and help others (a 'neighbor' being someone outside of whom I sup with) and the revelation will only confirm what people may already be discerning & so there will be a harvest even where I have not personally sown.

IRL...on a funny note.... a plant company we ordered from sent us the wrong strawberry plants.... and so yesterday they said, 'aw, keep em' & we'll send you what you ordered too'.... ha ha.....I like this multiplication stuff!

[warrior]

Never seen this guys stuff but he sounds a bit wacky. We are blessed that God has given this warning. The saints are shielded. Discernment is so vital in these times but the deceivers are tricky.

[James]

A good post Hg. .. and good comments by all the peeps that replied.
Good vid by Jonathan Cahn too.
I had to laugh at yr clip with "Jaws" knocking at the door. LOL.
- Reminds me of a part in a kids movie from the late 60's I think ...
half scarred the "bejeebers" out of me back then. lol! (That's why I never allowed my kids to see that part when they were growing up).
The children, the warnings from the adults, the "candy and lollipops" bait, the hidden jail ... and the creepy "child catcher" with his enticing deceptive words (dressed in black, under his false outer clothing) ..
Quite a parallel a?[/b]

[hearingGod]

ewwww... haven't seen that one in a loooooong time. ya, that part is creepy!
"flesh, here flesh.... come get what you want"-- and THEN *SNAP* - GoTcHA!

[hearingGod]

nuff said...


and I must say.... I am disturbed Doug is using 'hearing God' tags a lot in his videos... which gets close to mine in searches (of course this could be God doing this too). wonder if i need to do some more cult edu vids...hmm.

Adding this thread link 8/25/2013....cuz it's on the subject too: hearinggod.proboards.com/thread/389/perry

[James]

This clip makes me angry ... and so sad. A happy marriage and family transformed into ashes and tears.
Could the evil fruit of Perry's teachings and his fotm cult be any more obvious?
It's pretty bad when even secular TV points out that there's a fox in the hen house.
Youtube videos seem to be his biggest recruiting tool, so ya, I think using this same tool in the Same public recruiting place
to Expose, to Warn and to Edu people about these internet wolves/cults is very much needed.