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Post by buildthefarm on Apr 7, 2013 12:59:51 GMT -5
ok so my parents suggested that we try a new church so off we went this morning. the music was fun and the whole thing was up tempo for sure. the pastor broke from his plan and went unscripted the whole time. it all looked awsome like something youd see on tv, and there were people from all walks of life in there too it was very diverse. it seemed to be all lead by the Spirit but i left with a headache and a back ache a general discomfort about the whole thing. my parents loved it my kids enjoyed the kid stuff they did. but i spent the whole time not doing all the things i was told to do. yell hallaluya, roar like a lion, raise your hands, if your not praising God right now your kina being a jerk....... i guess im a stick in the mud about not taking directions from pastors and music directors. actually the music director was awesome, during the music i prayed that God would come to the church and He said im already here. so i figured ok this may really be a good place. anyway i cant tell if its a bad fit for me or a place that will make me grow. its not really a place i can learn anything but i learn on my own time anyway. and the Spirit was certainly ministering to me during parts of it in a great way. not sure what to think any thoughts or suggestions?
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Post by warrior on Apr 7, 2013 16:24:53 GMT -5
Felt a bit uncomfortable today too. Worship was awesome and Spirit filled. Ally did this thing about what liturgy is in Anglican churches and what it means, Christ and His wounds and how salvation is not just spiritual - all good stuff and then he starts going on about Ignatius Loyola and his spiritual exercises and then got folks doing what was actually a prayer meditation which I didn't join in because I felt uncomfortable. We clearly have a different view of Loyola, the role of Jesuits in post Reformation europe and his spiritual exercises. I just prayed that God would put either me or him right. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm happy if I am because I'd always like to think better of everyone.
So will i stop going? No, because I need to pray and be understanding. We can all get mixed up, me included. The key thing is that Christ's gospel is being preached, the Holy Spirit is present. I have lots to get and give. I guess satan would love a spirit of offence to pop up but he has no chance as I revisited spiritual housecleaning yesterday - shameless plug - but good advice to come back to these things. Equally don't be shamed into going to a place you can't worship in. I'd advise soaking prayer.
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Post by buildthefarm on Apr 7, 2013 20:01:20 GMT -5
well i dont know anything bout the anglican church that i didnt hear in a DP video, lol. ive never heard of loyola except for the university, and i wouldnt know who the jesuits were if it werent for the prophecy of the popes this increasing my interests. honestly the history of the church since Christ is quite a mystery in our culture, i just started looking into it a little about a week ago but i dont know much, we dont have that here. but i know what ya mean basically i guess.
that head ache i got at church turned into a migrane that put me down for like 5 hours. i havent had one in several years now but i still keep migrane meds on hand at all times just in case. i had em all the time when i was a kid and teenager. i guess what I'm saying is there was an attempt at healing and thats good but what i got was all my old physical ailments coming down and hitting me at once, the headaches, the back, and the tiredness that have been in and out most of my life. obviously something was happening spiritually I just wasn't getting the right end of it lol.
have yall seen that before? does it say to you wow that church needs help or does it say hey man clap when the preacher says clap and praise when he says praise and see what happens or what does it seem to indicate? i will have to let it soak in and pray your right.
i know when they sang satan get thee behind i was grinning from ear to ear. and i know that this pastor has the gaul to tell a mountain to throw itself in the sea so theres some major upside there. he told an autistic boy to recieve his healing and the kid did laps on the stage. and an ex heroin addict got up and gave testimony right in the middle of a song and they just gave her the mic and said go!! it was all new stuff for me, out of my comfort zone i guess. of course crowds and loud noises are not for me!! lol maybe there was just so much going on that my spirit couldnt process. idk
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Post by warrior on Apr 8, 2013 3:00:03 GMT -5
Ok so where did the migrane come from? We'd have to consider that something at the church was wrong which could be the in the building, worship or hostile targeting by occultists who could even mix in the congregation. Much of what you describe sounds good, not sure about forcing people to express their worship in a controling way - but I wasn't there. I'd say clap when the Spirit tells you to. Then we have to consider you. Did you somehow reopen a door or was there something associated that has been dormant for a long time that really didn't like what was going on?
Ask for Holy Spirit because whatever it is needs to be dealt with. God bless.
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Post by hearingGod on Apr 8, 2013 6:55:21 GMT -5
ya i dunno on that either, but i likewise, don't like it when leaders say 'do this (clap, raise yer hands...blah blah)' or makes you repeat stuff... but i've got friends that have ministered over me as such & coz i luff them.... i've obliged and done such. i realize that some things are prophetic acts & declarations and confessions that are good despite what my flesh may or may not want to do.
the big discernment is can we surrender and agree w/ stuff that aligns w/ the Word & focus on Jesus...or is there manipulation in the 'do this/that'.
here is what the 'more excellent way 2 b in health' book sez on migraines:
"...are triggered in people who have conflict with themselves... about conflict in life or w/ others.... is rooted in guilt.... out of guilt comes fear & it's always in this order.... guilt 1st & then fear."
since u had them in the past, could be something that needs axed. we should be free to go anywhere & if the fruit there (church) is good & it's causing something hanging on to manifest.... well then thank you enemy for the intel.... but again... it all hinges on discernment & fruit checking process.... cuz it's either you or like warrior sed... occult targeting in the assembly, or something bad in the church... so time will tell but something's getting axed baybe!
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Post by buildthefarm on Apr 8, 2013 20:22:05 GMT -5
yeah thats what ive been trying to figure out. yall have put it into words perfectly. is it me, is it the church or is it a targeted attack on the church? thats the answer im looking for. its just hard to define the question sometimes.
ok so step one guilt, step to fear, step three inner conflict, step four migraine? is that the basic premise on that one? yeah i had headaches and migraines since i was maybe 6. that had for the most part gone away sometime in my mid 20s. i havent had one in several years until the other day. and it was a serious, knocked out, cant do anything migraine. so good to know this stuff. awsome help y'all.
you 2 have helped me get aimed in the right direction on what i gota do next, thanks so much:)
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Post by buildthefarm on Apr 14, 2013 13:53:23 GMT -5
well no headache today. in fact today was amazing! i havent agreed with a mans teaching more ever. so i think im gonna stick with this one awhile and see how it goes. this place is annointed for sure and i think im supposed to be there. still was a little fight this week but not anything like the fight last week.
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