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Post by buildthefarm on Sept 12, 2013 21:53:16 GMT -5
well today the pope showed his hand as being the one to fulfill the prophecy of being the last pope and possibly the false prophet of revelations. the one man to unify all world religions into one and the same. the one to claim that everyones God is indeed the same God. but he didnt say any of that stuff of course but here is what he did say: the pope told a group of atheists today that you dont have to believe in God to go to heaven. welp i was already sold so it didnt take much convincing but thats one major step down the road to false prophetess for pope petrus romanus
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Post by hearingGod on Sept 13, 2013 22:50:04 GMT -5
may wanna look into this deeper cuz i heard something today that the media twisted stuff & it's not what he said at all.
here's the controversial bit of the Pope's remarks:
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i tell railers that kinda thing all the time & it shocks them... let them vent and say, "it's okay... it's freewill....i will testify to the truth but you're under no obligation to believe me, but thanks for stopping by and poking your nose around here....u'll stand b4 God on your own"...based on this:
i fell for that pope twisting words hoax thing too... always gotta find out exactly what was said & discern the biased filters
of course this: "Sin, even for a non-believer, is when one goes against one's conscience...." doesn't really work if one is dead to sin, having their conscious seared.... but he (pope) isn't cutting Jesus out as the 'one door' like they make it out to be, LOL
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Post by warrior on Sept 14, 2013 5:44:39 GMT -5
What he says fits exactly with the Jesuit oath. From a biblical stance it can point to Jesus and that is a positive side to it. I won't judge what he says nor get too excited about it. I think things will be a whole lot clearer soon and stuff will slide into place, just as it did for the first Jews who accepted Christ and found their faith being completed in ways which they had often not expected.
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Post by buildthefarm on Sept 14, 2013 6:30:13 GMT -5
interesting guys thanks ill have to look a lil more. i should know a good clean headline in the US news is not usually accurate lol. ill look at it more.
HG i did hear a teaching this week on something related to that last thing you said though actually. the line of thinking went like this: not every man reads or hears the exact law of God. but every man has some form of conscience written on his heart, we all know certain things are bad. so at judgement God will not judge directly against the law but against what each man did that he knew in his heart to be wrong. and still all, who dont know Christ, will be found wanting but thats a fair way to judge. and had scripture to back it up as, any preacher would, even the ones who are dead wrong lol. i bet you could teach an atheist the same tactics that preachers are taught in seminary to use partial out of context scripture to prove God doesnt exist if one were so inclined. "God is not...." SEE i told you the Bible said Gods not real!! lol and they wonder why churches have so much trouble. anyway idk if this theory is accurate but it was kina what you were saying at the end there so i thought id share.
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Post by buildthefarm on Sept 14, 2013 8:32:19 GMT -5
www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/09/11/news/the_pope_s_letter-66336961/ok here is the actual letter from the pope. and here is the paragraph in such question: "As for the three questions you asked me in the article of August 7th. It would seem to me that in the first two, what you are most interested in is understanding the Church's attitude towards those who do not share faith in Jesus. First of all, you ask if the God of the Christians forgives those who do not believe and do not seek faith. Given that - and this is fundamental - God's mercy has no limits if he who asks for mercy does so in contrition and with a sincere heart, the issue for those who do not believe in God is in obeying their own conscience. In fact, listening and obeying it, means deciding about what is perceived to be good or to be evil. The goodness or the wickedness of our behavior depends on this decision. " not quite how i would have answered that question but im not sure im seeing 'pope says you dont have to believe in God to go to heaven' in it. in fact i really don't see anything in this whole article. is there some law against the pope being direct lol. oh well i didnt vote for him. anyway not the fulfillment of prophecy that the headlines lead me to believe but the headlines are driving the secular world. perhaps even if they are not absolute fact 'headline news' still means something in the grand scheme. idk maybe i shoulda just read the letter first and skipped the whole post:)
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Post by warrior on Sept 15, 2013 10:26:13 GMT -5
The stuff about sin is quite interesting. Biblically sin is sin but in other cases an act can be sinful for one person but not for another, dependent on motivation. You give $5k to charity to help folks. I give the same amount to look good in men's eyes... You got to see your team play, have posters and merchandise - no problem. I go to see mine but have made a god of it... The sin is still sin but only when it is sin [sic ed.].
As for the issue of conscience - it all sounds like a red herring to me. A hedonist or a sociopath sees nothing wrong with their actions. The argument is flawed. It assumes we all have a soft heart. The Bible is quite clear that this is not the case and what happens to those who reject Jesus and have hardened their hearts. It might be better if the church organisation leaders were more clear in delivering the Gospel as it is and not trying to dress it up in ways that appear more acceptable to politically correct universalists. Such things are beyond niceties and games of semantics. So is their motive to grow His church or something else? Who knows? God does.
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