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Post by Saltandlight007 on Dec 30, 2013 8:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by James on Dec 30, 2013 19:27:09 GMT -5
Yes, this was a good interview by Sid with Dr. Michael Brown. (Brown is a Messianic Jew/Christian scholar that John MacArthur refuses to meet with concerning MacArthur's anti-Charismatic book ("Strange Fire") and his conferences).
Anyway, here is an excerpt from a recent article in Charisma by Brown showing THE KIND OF FRUIT this "Hyper-grace" doctrine is producing ( Jesus said "you can tell what kind of tree is "by it's fruit" .. and this doctrine produces BAD fruit).
It's a candy/sugar coated 'doctrine of error" ... introduced by satan to believers.. which is acting like a stealth virus being injected into the body of Christ. ... especially deceiving/corrupting new believers.
A watered down/corrupted gospel ("another gospel") that is of no value to non-believers ..
and actually ruinous to true believers that don't know the Word.
. Seems like a doctrine for a modern day "falling away."
Excerpt from article ...
"One of my closest ministry colleagues posted this on his Facebook page last year: “There was a knot in the pit of my stomach this afternoon after I hung up the phone with a friend of mine who pastors a growing church in our city. He relayed to me an anguishing story of how some members from his worship team were hanging out with other worship leaders in a key local church. He reported to me that his team came back from that hang-out experience quite perplexed as the f-bombs were flying from the openly and unashamedly drunk worship leaders.”
Another pastor told me that he sent a number of young people from his congregation to train in a ministry school known for its worship. All of them came back to his church with a drinking problem, the result of hanging out with other “worshipers” in the ministry school. And on and on it goes".
Quoted from ..
www.charismanews.com/opinion/38195-drunken-worship-leaders-and-mercenary-musicians |
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Post by buildthefarm on Dec 30, 2013 21:03:58 GMT -5
my dad was just telling me the other day how drunk and stoned the grateful dead and jethro tull were in concert back in the 60s, why wouldnt you want that in your praise and worship team:)
the church i grew up in went down to the hyper grace teaching, its very sneaky. when i was 10 the Spirit was moving and they were saving this floating chick from the church of satan, by the time i was 13 it was bird dogs aren't made to chase rabbits, a few years later kids are selling drugs and robbing people in youth group and it doesn't matter cuz we are all forgiven and by the time i was 23 i had wrecked my life for the first time and my church blatantly stated there was no hell no eternal judgement, God is loving and therefore wouldn't do that. it was a decade plus creep into that and those who didn't leave along the way didn't even notice anything was changing. they just thought people were being mean to the pastor cuz he was doing the Lords work.
I'm learning a more realistic grace lately. when i am considering making a bad choice or put in a bad position I'm trying to make a habit of asking God for His grace to make the right choice in that situation. the fruit has been way better than when we were all sneaking vodka around sunday school:)
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Post by hearingGod on Jan 1, 2014 9:53:02 GMT -5
haven't had time to watch s.r. shows in a while.. tis a good one.
i have so many attackers that fit in this category. one of the biggest things they go after is the concept of generational curses. i think i get blue in the face sometimes reiterating Jesus' own words of not coming to replace the law but fulfill it. and the common sense of questioning 'well why then can i see bad stuff in this good christian family's line?' people would rather do nothing and just accept some 'fall' and powerless christianity.
okay.... don't get me started, LOL... this one is such the broken record...
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