Gold dust manifestation

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Jun 7, 2014 2:00:39 GMT -5 warrior said:

About a year ago my wife and I were in church praising God. She had a collapsed arch in one of her feet, which had limited mobility. She never asked for anything but just went all tingly like electric and felt something happen to her foot. She now has a perfect arch, better than the other foot and more mobile. It was great testimony to our loving and living God. God knows our needs better than we do. He knows what is on our mind to pray before we pray. He is outside time and all knowing. I see no problem with spontaneous, unasked for healing; whether by touching a hem, being crossed by a shadow, etc. Of course, where there is insufficient faith only a few will be healed; in Nazareth that would be the specific ones Jesus prayed for, as all those he prayed for were healed. I guess Lazarus never asked for his miracle. I am happy to acknowledge that I live in God's world and He makes the rules. If He wants to sort out my teeth with gold, I will say thank you. As for 'Slain in the Spirit' I do recall reading that in the first Pentecost there were rebukes for apparent drunkenness by religious types, a kind of drunkenness later approved by Paul. I have yet to see people with flames coming out of their heads but it wouldn't surprise me. You can't put God in a box.

There is nothing wrong with spontaneous healing but it is rare. The reason why I believe 100% that "Slain the Spirit" is demonic is because often times the same churches that do this make animal noises (mostly dog barking and things like that) and have other weird practices...all of which can be linked to Eastern spiritual practices and is the result of a Kundalini spirit. I'm not saying that it can't happen every once in a while (I mean there are people who when they go through deliverance they start doing weird things) but all of the time (once again lol) seems strange to me. Also the fact that there is no real reason behind Slain in the Spirit. I've seen videos where people have gone to church and just repeatedly get Slain in the Spirit and that is nonsense to me. To me, everything that God does is with a purpose and it is much greater than just a "sign". I don't put God in a box (I believe technically speaking anything can happen) but these two things seem off to me. If you look at the recorded miracles in the Bible, they all seem to have a purpose far greater than God just "showing a sign". The miracles usually fulfill a practical purpose in something. Healings are meant to heal someone (and thus isn't "overused" because it can't be overused). The Gift of Faith gives someone the ability to have instant Pistis. Whether it is separating a sea or something else, there is always a practical purpose for it. And there's a good reason behind that (in my opinion). God gives miracles to fulfill a practical need rather than just a want. If it was just a desire, people would "get drunk" off of it and start wanting to do it all the time. With this "gold dust manifestation", people probably go to church expecting to receive that now. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were coming with plastic bags (lol I'm just kidding, but who knows, maybe there is someone doing that). If we want a 24/7 miracle, we have tongues and that has a practical purpose of praying for what we need. But Gold Dust Manifestations, Slain in the Spirit, it seems like people just want a sign at this point. And if a sign is all that is needed to prove something then there's trouble to be had. 

Matthew 24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

II Thessalonians 2:8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
II Thessalonians 2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Like I said, Anti means replacement. If you think this Antichrist is going to come acting like Damian from The Omen then you're wrong. He's going to declare himself as divine and he might even call himself Jesus Christ (if it is possible). Ever heard the phrase, "if you can't beat em, join em"? Well Satan has been using that advice for centuries. All it takes is someone to say "I'm Christian" and they can deceive thousands with false doctrines. It has happened for years and will happen until the Second Coming. 

[warrior]

You have the advantage over me here. I have never seen anyone actually bark like a dog, although I have heard them speaking in tongues when they are 'in another place'. I think Pentecost is really cool but if you are uncomfortable with aspects of it because they seem close to the counterfeits you must take it up with God. I think most people in the west go to church not really expecting to meet God at all and are sadly not disappointed. In most of the world they go prepared to meet God on His terms. In fairness, if I never had another sign I could never stop believing in my LORD. I seek God but His signs build faith, especially in this secular, atheist and 'rational' world. As for the false prophets there are some startlingly obvious ones who deceive millions - LDS, JWs, Islam, Chrislam, Emergent Universalist Church. We are even told what to look for; they deny the Son (divinity and or death and or resurrection). I do know what anti means, I teach about God for a living so I have an extra responsibility. I have never seen Omen or its like so I don't understand that reference. Hollywood has a great deal to answer for; I choose not to focus on it.

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Jun 7, 2014 15:17:39 GMT -5 warrior said:

You have the advantage over me here. I have never seen anyone actually bark like a dog, although I have heard them speaking in tongues when they are 'in another place'. I think Pentecost is really cool but if you are uncomfortable with aspects of it because they seem close to the counterfeits you must take it up with God. I think most people in the west go to church not really expecting to meet God at all and are sadly not disappointed. In most of the world they go prepared to meet God on His terms. In fairness, if I never had another sign I could never stop believing in my LORD. I seek God but His signs build faith, especially in this secular, atheist and 'rational' world. As for the false prophets there are some startlingly obvious ones who deceive millions - LDS, JWs, Islam, Chrislam, Emergent Universalist Church. We are even told what to look for; they deny the Son (divinity and or death and or resurrection). I do know what anti means, I teach about God for a living so I have an extra responsibility. I have never seen Omen or its like so I don't understand that reference. Hollywood has a great deal to answer for; I choose not to focus on it.

Why are you calling this Pentecost? I don't understand. To me there's a big difference between what happened on the Day of Pentecost and all of this counterfeit stuff. Where is this "Slain in the Spirit" during Pentecost? There is only one reference throughout the Bible even somewhat similar Slain in the Spirit and in that instance it was a person falling forward (Slain in the Spirit makes you fall backwards...) and it was done in worship (as more of a traditional "on your knees" type thing not as some weird experience). Like I said, there's always a proper purpose to everything. 

The Omen and movies like it make the Antichrist out to be some sort of monster. You know like killing people and using some sort of hypnosis to get people to do evil things. Children of the Corn kinda does the same thing. They make the Antichrist out to be some super super powerful and evil being that murders, performs black magic and all of that stuff. Never the true representation which is someone that comes in the name of peace and love and all of that and people actually like him. 

The point I'm trying to make, I guess is that if it is always a sign that proves something then very little needs answering for. Hindus have that "milk miracle" that happened a few years back. Witches/Wiccans/Other magic practitioners have spells/curses that actually come true — or sometimes they have like ESP or something. Africans (and other places) have voodoo and hoodoo. Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism all kinda have all of those counterfeit Kundalini "miracles" now. Catholics (and since I go to a Catholic school right now, I can speak from experience) have Padre Pio as an example of stigmata and body-preservation (keep in mind, Catholics use the name Jesus Christ). New-Agers..oh well they have a lot of signs. They follow a lot of Hindu traditions and so they too have the Kundalini. Then you've got things related to chakras (once again a Hindu concept) like Third Eye phenomenon. Then New-Agers have Out of Body Experiences/Astral Projection, different types of spirit communication, ESP, levitation, and many more. The thing with New Age is it takes pretty much anything bad and combines it all into one religion with the claim that by doing these things you raise your consciousness and eventually become a god. And hey, there's nothing wrong with more consciousness (as long as it is not obtained through satanic means) but becoming a god? Definitely a satanic idea. The worst part of it is, all of these ideas are starting to be combined, almost like we have been living on this planet for thousands of years and are "finally finding out what we're supposed to do". I remember watching this video someone sent me called "Our History is Not What We Think" and the whole video takes various spiritual concepts and actually gives a "convincing" story as to how it all fits together. Of course it isn't what the person came up with though —  it is taken from an old set of tablets discovered somewhere called the "Emerald Tablets of Thoth". Anyways, the ideas presented fit into pretty much every worldview. Even if you're an atheist you can always accept the supernatural things but deny a deity behind it (I know someone like that). 

So pretty much, if it is just a sign and a few words being said that entirely prove something, it is easy to get caught up in the coming deception. 

[warrior]

It is Pentecost. Of course there are counterfeits of the Holy Spirit but there is also the Holy Spirit. I am not going to be condemning what those things I believe are from the Holy Spirit, ascribing the works of God to Satan when I see no evil but people soaking in God's love just because they don't fall in the direction I think they should. If I pray for someone's eyes I don't generally roll up mud and spit balls or send them to the nearest river but if God told me to I would. When you think about it the spit balls were to wind up the religious types (work combined with bodily fluid that should cause defilement - he was challenging their small world view to get them to focus on the big picture; God).
I'm glad I never saw the Omen from your description. I am very discerning about what I watch. I can only guess at the motivation of the spirit behind its production.
The pagans don't change, they just rebrand. For me the main thing is to keep my eye on Jesus. He had authority right the way through even when the bad guys thought they had the upper hand. I put no limitations on my God for He is Almighty.

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Jun 7, 2014 17:52:31 GMT -5 warrior said:

It is Pentecost. Of course there are counterfeits of the Holy Spirit but there is also the Holy Spirit. I am not going to be condemning what those things I believe are from the Holy Spirit, ascribing the works of God to Satan when I see no evil but people soaking in God's love just because they don't fall in the direction I think they should. If I pray for someone's eyes I don't generally roll up mud and spit balls or send them to the nearest river but if God told me to I would. When you think about it the spit balls were to wind up the religious types (work combined with bodily fluid that should cause defilement - he was challenging their small world view to get them to focus on the big picture; God).
I'm glad I never saw the Omen from your description. I am very discerning about what I watch. I can only guess at the motivation of the spirit behind its production.
The pagans don't change, they just rebrand. For me the main thing is to keep my eye on Jesus. He had authority right the way through even when the bad guys thought they had the upper hand. I put no limitations on my God for He is Almighty.

Oh okay, that makes a little more sense now. I still find those two "miracles" of another spirit though. 

[hearingGod]

but it's not about the signs... it's about the fruit produced. if people r getting saved, repentance, conversion.... etc. that's all that matters. if it's popcorn falling from the sky... who cares....the bigger picture of salvations & enlarging the kingdom trump all.
i have fallen 'slain in the spirit'....if you wanna call it that.... (nothing wrong w/ the presence being so strong a body literally can't stand it). and, i have had a falsie try to push me down when i was 5mo. pregnant--(ya, what kinda doofus falsie w/ that bad fruit!) the other adjoining bad fruit was that the guy was asking people for $1,000 commitments in a poor area and praying 'special' over those people etc. and using guilt trip/you're gonna miss out rants.... and this guy was on sid roth! (please always discern peeps...i love sid but stinkers sneak on there from time to time)....

to sum up....hands down....we can't dismiss until we test and we can't judge by weirdness or uncomfortableness (which God uses to test the like as we kno).... "what does it do for the kingdom?" is the question we must always ask.

it is far better to deal w/ stuff we experience than to fill up on potential junk programming. many valid warning vids have a spirit of fear on them because christians w/ control issues feel they have to guilt, or fear people into 'what's right'....when all God asks them to do is present the bad fruit and the word so people can decide for themselves. but, we can't do a wrong thing trying to get a right result so the moment that sorta spirit shows up i turn it off....and sometimes i 'just know' not to even open them up at all. but then this is a bunny trail.... i made my point & so i'll stop... stop s t o p

[Saltandlight007]

I can't say I'm completely decided on this subject and it is only God who knows the whole truth anyway. But, I know that there are concerns among some Christians about what type of conversions take place at some of these events; how 'good fruit' is defined and what the reasons are for following Jesus (and which Jesus). I'm not convinced that all criticism is based on fear / control. Some of it is genuine concern – I believe. I agree with HG about Sid Roth – I have found many of his interviewees biblically sound, informative and highly faith building, but I have not agreed with some of his statements or with some of his other interviewees.

I also agree that a specific precedent in the bible is not necessary, but I do believe that it should line up with the essence of Scripture and not contradict it. This is where Christians disagree it seems. An attempt to discern is certainly required – even if we don't always get it right – humbly and boldly expressing our views, but loving those who disagree with us and submitting the rest to God.

Perhaps you are right HG – are we all on a bunny trail here? Each man must eventually decide for himself I guess.

[marvin]

SMH!

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Jun 8, 2014 11:51:18 GMT -5 marvin said:

SMH!

Why? Like I said, I'm done trying to explain. It was just my opinion I was expressing. There's no need to get angry over it. I'm not angry at people who don't hold that view. I just don't understand it is all.

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I deleted the post...there's no sense in trying anymore.

[marvin]

its ok buddy!

[CAT]

Sorry I opened a can o' worms.....   

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Jun 8, 2014 23:07:24 GMT -5 CAT said:

Sorry I opened a can o' worms.....   

Lol don't worry about it. Marvin & I fixed what was going on. It was just a misunderstanding is all. This is certainly a really touchy topic that is hard to explain. 

[hearingGod]

it's all good folks...by talking things out we learn.
God can get in anywhere... and i believe that even 'genuine' can be mixed in w/ those that have a wrong heart when around such manifestation . there is so much we can't know about inside people's hearts.
i have a soft spot about 'damning' a whole any-thing instead of teaching people to 'know better' and weigh things out in the Word & relationship.
i was in a cult... jake, u were in a cult. we both know good and well meaning people are trapped in them--same w/ people at places where manifestations occur. not all peeps are all fluff n no Jesus... some are there because of marriage or a child etc.

at some of the places where the animal sounds came in... i believe there was legit stuff going on too... there was good fruit too. just perhaps lack of leadership or prayer to the holy spirit on what this new weird stuff was... satan will try to wreck anything... and when we damn a whole thing, the ones that had real encounters get attacked and wounded etc. and from a been there, done that standpoint, i know that i listened when love & the word was there & tuned out the condemning peeps w/ no edu stuffs. thank God for those that loved!

i know... i'm bunny-trailing a lil'.... but it's just how i think about the grey areas where i kno God can get in.

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Jun 9, 2014 21:53:29 GMT -5 hearingGod said:

it's all good folks...by talking things out we learn.
God can get in anywhere... and i believe that even 'genuine' can be mixed in w/ those that have a wrong heart when around such manifestation . there is so much we can't know about inside people's hearts.
i have a soft spot about 'damning' a whole any-thing instead of teaching people to 'know better' and weigh things out in the Word & relationship.
i was in a cult... jake, u were in a cult. we both know good and well meaning people are trapped in them--same w/ people at places where manifestations occur. not all peeps are all fluff n no Jesus... some are there because of marriage or a child etc.

at some of the places where the animal sounds came in... i believe there was legit stuff going on too... there was good fruit too. just perhaps lack of leadership or prayer to the holy spirit on what this new weird stuff was... satan will try to wreck anything... and when we damn a whole thing, the ones that had real encounters get attacked and wounded etc. and from a been there, done that standpoint, i know that i listened when love & the word was there & tuned out the condemning peeps w/ no edu stuffs. thank God for those that loved!

i know... i'm bunny-trailing a lil'.... but it's just how i think about the grey areas where i kno God can get in.

I wasn't necessarily in the cult lol. That was my friend. I was just kinda listening to the teachings, which were actually good considering it was a Hebrew Roots ideology. FYI for everyone on here..please never assume that I am angry or something. I don't know what it is but some people get that from me. Is it the strong subject matter or something? I don't know. 

Having said that I hold a very strict idea of what good fruit is, so I don't necessarily see it the same way that you do. But that's okay. 

I have to finish up this project now lol. I ended up doing much more than asked. I did two essays instead of one followed by a discussion section and conclusion. I found it impossible to do just one essay and have it all make sense. I had too much research.