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Post by CAT on Jun 2, 2014 2:16:02 GMT -5
Could somebody please talk to me about gold dust manifestation? I've heard of it a couple times recently. What is it? Is it for real? What does it mean?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 19:38:10 GMT -5
Could somebody please talk to me about gold dust manifestation? I've heard of it a couple times recently. What is it? Is it for real? What does it mean? I never heard of this before and did a quick Google search and this is what I got: www.gotquestions.org/gold-dust-church.htmlThen again, the creator of this website denies speaking in tongues (and claims that it is known languages only). Personally using my own discernment it sounds at least fake if not satanic. It doesn't make sense for this to occur as there is no recorded time in scripture. Also, what need is there of this when you have tongues, healings and all of the other Gifts of the Holy Spirit? On top of that...gold dust in the mouth? Doesn't that sound a little "cheap" for a miracle? I mean, it doesn't have any legitimate effect on the person other than probably giving them a horrible taste in the mouth. No one is truly getting aided with this. In scriptures, even with the "lesser gifts" there is at least some sort of edifying going on. I also find it hard to believe that a God who would come to Earth in the flesh and inform us that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" would then sprinkle our mouths with gold dust. To me there is a reason why it is "gold dust" (which apparently it isn't) and not grass or some other substance. It is because the gold gives the person a feeling of richness. It feeds into the greedy desires of wanting more money or gold or silver and stuff like that. That sounds opposite of what we're instructed. That's just my view after a quick peak at what this is.
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Post by CAT on Jun 2, 2014 19:56:11 GMT -5
Thank you for your thoughts. It sounded pretty bogus to me. I did google it a bit but wanted to see if anyone had any first-hand knowledge or experience. Thanks for the link - will check it out - I think that site usually has pretty balanced, scriptural answers.
A facebook acquaintance posted about ministering deliverance to someone and said, "...I was able to manifest gold dust on her hands (mainly to prove a point)..." And then, "Its just something we learned how to do. We can generally call it up on demand. Makes for a great witnessing tool. It basically a spiritual device used to learn how to do creative miracles. We just use it as another weapon in our arsenal here."
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Post by Saltandlight007 on Jun 3, 2014 3:48:15 GMT -5
These things can be hard to determine and I may be wrong, but I have had very similar thoughts to those mentioned in Jake's post on this subject in the past.
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Post by hearingGod on Jun 3, 2014 7:31:12 GMT -5
i've been places where it'd show up on people & also some people would have, as it would seem...oil appearing on their palms. i think the only way to look at phenom like this is to be there. i get music playing in my head outta nowhere & that's not in the scripture.... you all just have to check my fruit. i think there is a lot of good 'mystery' out there for a reason & it's in abiding & in relationship that revelation occurs. that way we don't seeeeeeeek for flashes in the pan... try to conjure thru methods etc. are just good people instead of wondering "should i be good rt now cuz that might b an 'angel unawares'".
as for the 'call it up' stuff....i dunno the acquaintance to test anything...it has a lot of 'appearance' of going about things in a wrong way... at the same time when i think of scripture... i think about moses & the serpent showdown but i jus dunno. it may have been the smooth stone to use for the original teacher...but to school it as a thing 'to do' is when things can go awry. because it's gnawing on you to 'know'...and if it is 'unsettling'...it may very well be a misuse... we know there will be a lot of 'Lord, Lord' going on in using His name & we know our words have power.... but to know if people are abiding in doing so...only doing what they see the Father doing (not a copy of the teacher).... we can ask Him to show us & that's about it. the Holy Spirit will reveal. let us know what you feel the spirit says about this specific one if you do press in about it.... sure is an interesting one we might learn from.
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Post by marvin on Jun 3, 2014 14:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by marvin on Jun 3, 2014 14:58:59 GMT -5
gold dust and manna. Why not?
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Post by marvin on Jun 3, 2014 19:13:10 GMT -5
I've heard of people getting their toxic mercury fillings replaced with gold fillings during a healing service
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 20:42:22 GMT -5
"Never asked for"...sounds fishy to me. With pretty much any spiritual gift it seems to be something that you have to ask for. Tongues you ask for and if you don't ask for tongues specifically you usually ask for the Holy Spirit Baptism and that is when you get tongues. Healings usually require some sort of prayer or command (depending on your method, I recommend commanding though) before it takes place. Miracles are pretty much the same (but sometimes it can happen spontaneously). If you go through the rest of the gifts you at least need to ask to receive them before something happens. Like Word of Knowledge for example. Before you start getting these random Words of Knowledge you usually have to ask for the gift. And yes I've heard of some people get healed (F1 for example when she read Smith Wigglesworth) or something but that is very rare. If this is a consistent thing that is happening with no "real" explanation as to how this could happen in the physical world (as in, gold dust coming off of the ceiling or something), it sounds like demons to me. Good thing to consider when testing things: Just because it is done in a church doesn't mean it is suddenly of God. We're told in the Bible that Satan and the Antichrist will have false miracles. Also remember that Antichrist means "Replacement-Christ" not against. This makes it easy to come in the name and do things contrary to God (read Matthew 24 for some more information on this).
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Post by warrior on Jun 4, 2014 8:06:41 GMT -5
I was at an event a few years ago where there was a glory cloud, angels singing and little gems appeared - whether they had any monetary value I don't know and is totally irrelevant to me. My Dad can show His pleasure any way he likes. I'm not asking anyone to believe me - it is far too easy for me as I was there so no faith is really required but it did give my own faith a boost. Where did all of this come from? Well, it all followed hours of worshipping the living God. My God has no limits. I am not going to get into an argument about antichrists v the Antichrist. None of them would have wanted to be in such a holy atmosphere. We were acknowledging the deity of Christ, not denying it. The lampstands will be in heaven before the antichrist is revealed - that is scripture. I have no intention to be among the earth dwellers and if I was I pray that I will not be taken in by the great deception.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 14:59:40 GMT -5
I was at an event a few years ago where there was a glory cloud, angels singing and little gems appeared - whether they had any monetary value I don't know and is totally irrelevant to me. My Dad can show His pleasure any way he likes. I'm not asking anyone to believe me - it is far too easy for me as I was there so no faith is really required but it did give my own faith a boost. Where did all of this come from? Well, it all followed hours of worshipping the living God. My God has no limits. I am not going to get into an argument about antichrists v the Antichrist. None of them would have wanted to be in such a holy atmosphere. We were acknowledging the deity of Christ, not denying it. The lampstands will be in heaven before the antichrist is revealed - that is scripture. I have no intention to be among the earth dwellers and if I was I pray that I will not be taken in by the great deception. Well my question is, was this a one time thing? Or do these people experience that all the time? I have no issue believing it if it happened once but more than once seems strange ...Or at least "frequently" happening is strange. The thing is, you can see instances where you have what one may describe as a "holy atmosphere" but that doesn't stop the spirits. Sure it weakens them to some degree but they're still there. Let's put it this way, if you have spirits and you go to church are the spirits suddenly gone? Nope..not without deliverance. If that was the case then very few people would have demons but it is the exact opposite. It's not that we're to be afraid of spirits or anything but we are still responsible for making the first move. They don't leave willingly. But that's just my view on it.
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Post by hearingGod on Jun 4, 2014 22:14:34 GMT -5
People that pull on my teachings will often begin to hear the songs play in their heads like I do... An example wud b Elijah/Elisha (stuff rubs off). I dont think 'same' manifestations are a problem.. Its like warrior said... If people are worshipping God...(insert Derek prince quote here... If we r looking 4 tha rt thing...we won't get the wrong..) People are only deceived if their heart ain't right n we only know by fruit, _n asking God. Every case can have its own scrutny,really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 22:31:55 GMT -5
People that pull on my teachings will often begin to hear the songs play in their heads like I do... An example wud b Elijah/Elisha (stuff rubs off). I dont think 'same' manifestations are a problem.. Its like warrior said... If people are worshipping God...(insert Derek prince quote here... If we r looking 4 tha rt thing...we won't get the wrong..) People are only deceived if their heart ain't right n we only know by fruit, _n asking God. Every case can have its own scrutny,really. Like I said, it's just my view on it. To me though, "looking for the right thing" sounds more like one would need to be looking for a miracle from God, not simply praising Him. Although demonic activity certainly slows down, it still needs to be taken care of. I remember watching a video of yours a few months ago where you were addressing some sort of subject and then you got a shoulder ache or something to which you responding by commanding the issue to leave you. I don't find worship as a cure all thing and like I mentioned earlier, if that was the case then every single Christian and Ex-Christian (who wouldn't be Ex-Christian if this happened) would be fine and cured of all. But it just isn't that simple. When we worship we still need to be aware of our other spiritual responsibilities as well. Maybe if I experienced this "gold dust manifestation", I'd feel differently but I can only judge based on what I know and can discern and to me something seems off. It's like Slain in the Spirit. That practice clearly isn't Biblical yet it is done in an area that one might see as having "Holy Power". But anyways...
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Post by warrior on Jun 7, 2014 2:00:39 GMT -5
About a year ago my wife and I were in church praising God. She had a collapsed arch in one of her feet, which had limited mobility. She never asked for anything but just went all tingly like electric and felt something happen to her foot. She now has a perfect arch, better than the other foot and more mobile. It was great testimony to our loving and living God. God knows our needs better than we do. He knows what is on our mind to pray before we pray. He is outside time and all knowing. I see no problem with spontaneous, unasked for healing; whether by touching a hem, being crossed by a shadow, etc. Of course, where there is insufficient faith only a few will be healed; in Nazareth that would be the specific ones Jesus prayed for, as all those he prayed for were healed. I guess Lazarus never asked for his miracle. I am happy to acknowledge that I live in God's world and He makes the rules. If He wants to sort out my teeth with gold, I will say thank you. As for 'Slain in the Spirit' I do recall reading that in the first Pentecost there were rebukes for apparent drunkenness by religious types, a kind of drunkenness later approved by Paul. I have yet to see people with flames coming out of their heads but it wouldn't surprise me. You can't put God in a box.
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Post by gulfman on Jun 7, 2014 11:23:33 GMT -5
I believe that more important than the signs are the fruits. We walk by faith not by sight. If the fruits are there the signs will show up. God will conform it - or not! The signs shall follow those who believe, not the believer to just follow the signs...
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