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Post by stingray on Jul 3, 2014 6:16:08 GMT -5
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Post by warrior on Jul 5, 2014 1:28:20 GMT -5
So if the world is a safer place perhaps Obama would like to go to church in northern Nigeria, declare that Christ is Lord in Iraq or even hand out tracts within 30 miles of Mecca. Sure is a time to pray.
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Post by hearingGod on Jul 5, 2014 7:39:55 GMT -5
guys...it's been some hard stuff witnessing to muslims...only cuz i've really had to wait on the Lord for His answer & not be hasty and try to do it myself....let me show you this one who hasn't replied back to me yet... and note it's having to pierce a veil of brainwashing as he promo's islam and 'good works'....
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Post by Saltandlight007 on Jul 5, 2014 9:11:09 GMT -5
Good response HG.
I was preparing to respond to a Muslim who left a similar message for a video I watched today. I'm not sure if this is the knew thing that Muslims are being instructed to say to Christians as I seem to have read a lot of similar comments to this one recently – with a much more gentle / less aggressive approach than usual; 'we love the same Jesus', etc., etc.
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Post by hearingGod on Jul 5, 2014 10:43:33 GMT -5
may be part of a blitz... makes it all the more important that we do respond--- 2-fold in also waking up/challenging apathetic christians
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Post by warrior on Jul 9, 2014 4:54:28 GMT -5
There are plenty of good Muslims out there. They were, after all, made in the image of God. On the whole they lack knowledge of Islam and superimpose features of Christianity on their world view. There are those who practise taqqiya 3:28 who know full well the message of Islam but hide it to snare the unwary. It is hard to tell which he is. He omits the injeel (gospels) which ironically the quran instructs them is preserved 3:3, 6114-115 and furthermore tells mohammed to judge the quran by 10:94. We (Jews and Christians) are 'al khitab' the people of the book. We are also instructed to judge by our book 5:47.
It is never a good idea to enter into a discussion on the prophet as the tradition of this character is antithesis all that is good. It justifies many ills in the world. I suspect taqqiya because he states shahada. Tawheed denies trinity and relegates Jesus to no more than a prophet. Furthermore the quran is clear that to befriend/help unbelievers is to become an unbeliever 5:51 except to deceive them 3:28. The quran designates only 8 suitable destinations for their zakat 9:60, one of which is to encourage those who may convert to Islam. Other than that it is for the best of peoples (believers)3:110 not the vilest of creatures 8:55(us Mushrikin who assign partners to allah, thereby committing shirk). I guess you could argue that the 7th destination is us as that is for the cause of allah (jihad). So it is entirely normal for muslims to be into charity as they have to earn reward from this life which is a test 67:2 but their faith would direct that away from us which may be in conflict with their heart.
Muslim apologists are schooled in taking the inconvenient ayah I have quoted and showing how they really mean the exact opposite. However, they can't do that; they get away with it because we interpret scripture. Islamic scripture has been interpreted and the book is closed. Just go to the Tafsir (commentary) of, for example, Ibn Kathir. Any muslim rejecting official interpretations would be inviting a fatwah for heresy.
On the whole, I steer away from Islam when talking to muslims and stick to some similarities; to sin, sacrifice, crucifixion, resurrection, love and power.
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Post by hearingGod on Jul 9, 2014 8:40:57 GMT -5
Love yer knowledge on the subject bro!
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Post by gulfman on Jul 16, 2014 12:14:42 GMT -5
A few days ago I went to a book fair and they had some cheap books about lots of subjects and one of the books was called "what do muslims believe" by Ziauddin Sardar. I decided to buy it and read it. I just end it 2 days ago. And the message was very "sweet". It was all about the tolerance of Muhammad with other people and religions, all about tolerance (even regarding the interpretation of the quran, and the various schools of thought), about good deeds, and social problems. The violence issue was touched always in a very subtle and easy way. For someone who just don´t know the Word of God and is searching for a spiritual orientation, I must admit, was very cool. It was a very "let it flow" way to look at things.
I can imagine that maybe is part of a global plan to try to attract people, and then slowly change the message to a violent and intolerant reality as we have watched. We have seen that happen with lots of western people that were not raised on islam and suddenly just engage in violent action.
I´m sure that there is a lot of "sincerely wrong" people on their ranks... That´s why we must take the Gospel everywhere...
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Post by warrior on Jul 17, 2014 1:13:07 GMT -5
The message is violent and has been ever since the 'revelation' of the Medinan ayah. The book will refer to plenty of early Meccan ayah, written when the muslims were massively outnumbered and tolerance was the way Allah saw things but if you read a chronological quran you'll see allah abrogates these earlier ayah in favour of a more direct approach. In 1400 years 270 million unbelievers have been killed at the hands of the 'faithful'. The good muslims are the ones who fight in the cause of allah (jihad), according to the quran, and the same book refers to those who do not as hypocrites. There is a big rotten fruit for us to inspect if we care to take the time. The followers of this faith are massively deceived by the father of lies. You are right, they need the Gospel. Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. No-one gets to the father except through Him.
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Post by James on Aug 11, 2014 15:30:41 GMT -5
The face of Islam's ISIS. You won't see this on TV (even cable).
Doing just what their "Prophet" tells them to do in his Quran.
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Post by warrior on Aug 12, 2014 2:20:59 GMT -5
The black flags are part of their end time eschatology. They are the call to the faithful which all Muslims must respond to (with their lives, their money, etc). These guys believe the end times are here and the Mahdi is here. In northern Iraq Christian homes are being sprayed with an 'N' to denote Nazarenes to be rounded up for what is going on here. I watched a mainstream news channel trying to deal with the situation. The 'expert' commentator was really confused; he listed some sanitised happenings; next he stated that Islam is a religion of peace suggesting that these are renegades in some way; further contradicting himself he list a few countries where these events are also happening. It was almost as if the penny was about to drop but he couldn't let it happen because the reality of it was too horrific to his world view.
I doubt any media moguls will be making a program about the motivation of these young men, born in the west, some 'good boys' who have never been in trouble, some caring young men, higher achievers, even medical students. Instead of looking at Christian prophecy and Islamic teaching I suspect they will start a witch hunt for the bad teachers and bad mosques that are perverting the teaching of the religion of peace, not accepting that it is mainstream. Some will start to blame themselves and the west for alienating these young men. They will want to further appease the 'moderates' like Cair! Where are the moderates, condemning these murderous acts?
I pray that the LORD will strengthen the saints, giving them the faith to witness in love to the very end. God bless them.
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Post by James on Aug 12, 2014 16:35:49 GMT -5
The black flags are part of their end time eschatology. They are the call to the faithful which all Muslims must respond to (with their lives, their money, etc). These guys believe the end times are here and the Mahdi is here. In northern Iraq Christian homes are being sprayed with an 'N' to denote Nazarenes to be rounded up for what is going on here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Seeing these people being rounded up and executed in this video is very sobering ... especially when we realize that this would be US if we were living over there ... and will be the fate of so many Christians worldwide someday ... if we "love not our lives, even unto death". |
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Post by Saltandlight007 on Aug 13, 2014 3:34:00 GMT -5
Yeah - it's all pretty horrific. Many who have fled have spoken about witnessing women and children being buried alive.
Here's another video - Vice News on the inside:
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Post by warrior on Aug 14, 2014 11:37:03 GMT -5
Interestingly, these guys are following the Quran literally and imposing the choice of conversion, jiziya or death by crucifixion. I expect that the scholars and Sheiks of CAIR, Obama, Cameron and Johnson are getting in touch to correct their error.
When I was a kid these things were called war crimes and Simon Wiesenthal and his crew hunted them down and they did not stop. What will our governments do? Its all starting to look very prophetic to me.
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Post by warrior on Aug 21, 2014 5:50:36 GMT -5
Sadly a British muslim from ISIS (end times black flag flying in the background) has beheaded an American journalist, James Foley. David Cameron is shocked; probably because he hasn't actually read the quran he spouts about at such times and has forgotten that it is not the first time a home grown jihadi has beheaded an American journalist. Maybe he should read surah 8:12 where Allah promises to strike us disbelievers with terror and instructs his followers to behead us. I am sure this latest jihadi believes he is doing his god a favour. I pray for the family and friends of James Foley and also the deceived young man who 'fought' in the cause of allah.
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